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Hello. I’m new to the forum but have a problem I need help with. I have an indoor pond tub that has been set up since July of this year. The goldfish with the problem has been in since September. I noticed a problem when she didn’t beg for food and was hiding this morning (not her usual). She has a wound with a chunk of tissue missing and a reddened tail/base of tail. The water is good with 0 amm, 0 nititrte and 20 nitrates. Water change day is today. Since this is an open top pond set up and I have cats (they have never bothered the fish) I am wondering if she was attacked. I don’t know if it’s bacteria that suddenly caused this. The other fish look good. I am going to w/c and add melefix. Any thoughts would be appreciated. 

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Please copy & paste the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability.

 

Test Results for the Following:

 Ammonia Level(Tank)

 Nitrite Level(Tank)

 Nitrate level(Tank)

 Ammonia Level(Tap)

 Nitrite Level(Tap)

 Nitrate level(Tap)

 Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

 Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

Other Required Info:

 Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?

 Water temperature?

 Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?

 What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?

 How often do you change the water and how much?

 How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?

 How many fish in the tank and their size?

 What kind of water additives or conditioners?

 What do you feed your fish and how often?

 Any new fish added to the tank?

 Any medications added to the tank?

 List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

 Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

 Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

"If copy and paste doesn't work for you, quote this post and put your answers after each question."

 

Also if you can some photos :) 

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Results for the Following:

 Ammonia Level(Tank) 0

 Nitrite Level(Tank)0

 Nitrate level(Tank) 20

 Ammonia Level(Tap 0 

 Nitrite Level(Tap) 0

 Nitrate level tap 0

 Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 

 Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)  

Other Required Info:

 Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API drops liquid

 Water temperature? 69 F

 Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 70 gallons 6 months 

 What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Turtle clean 50 canister by zoo med filters 200 gallons per hour. Pond pump for another 200 gallons per hours with sponges and filter floss as media. Sponge filter rated for 75 gallons with air pump. 

 How often do you change the water and how much? 2x weekly 70%. 

 How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 3 days ago 70%.

 How many fish in the tank and their size? 5 fancy’s 2inches the fish involved is 4 inches.

 What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime water conditioner 

 What do you feed your fish and how often? 2x daily small amounts 

 Any new fish added to the tank? No

  Any medications added to the tank? No

 List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.  Prazi, as per label 5 months ago. 

 Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? No. They all look healthy 

 Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Fish involved sat on bottom today not like usual self. 

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Finished my water change and I decided to replace the fine filter floss in the pond pump filter. I found a worm hanging out in the floss. It was brown and about 1/2 long. It moved it’s head around when I scooped it out. It didn’t have any hooks. What was this thing? The pond if full of aquatic and bog/ house plants. I’m officially grossed out. 

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On 1/6/2019 at 10:54 AM, pz2008 said:

Finished my water change and I decided to replace the fine filter floss in the pond pump filter. I found a worm hanging out in the floss. It was brown and about 1/2 long. It moved it’s head around when I scooped it out. It didn’t have any hooks. What was this thing? The pond if full of aquatic and bog/ house plants. I’m officially grossed out. 

You might have a cycle bump from replacing the filter floss. Next time just rinse it out with tank water, this keeps the Bio bugs alive. Your filter rate is a little on the low side but you make it up with the water changes :)

If you can take a photo of the pond and fish for me. 

The worm might have been from to much debris in the tank. They are harmless to the fish. :) 

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The wound is near the base of the tail. It’s a deepish flesh wound and the tail is red. She ate today but is not swimming much most likely due to pain? It doesn’t look infected but I have melefix in the water to promote healing. None of the other fish are affected. 

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39 minutes ago, pz2008 said:

The wound is near the base of the tail. It’s a deepish flesh wound and the tail is red. She ate today but is not swimming much most likely due to pain? It doesn’t look infected but I have melefix in the water to promote healing. None of the other fish are affected. 

If you can I would get a 10 gallon tote or a tank. I think we need to QT this fish and start there. Melafix is just tree oil but Im thinking salt would do better. 

and maybe if you can a little clearer photo :) the photo is kinda pixelated and hard to see what is going on there. :) 

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Thank you for your help. I have finally set up a 14 gallon sterilite tub for the fish. It probably has more like 11 gallons because of bowing. I’ve added a small filter to it and can move over a sponge from the pond. Should I keep up with the melefix or start salt treatment? How much salt per gallon? She is still moping  around and hasn’t taken any food the past two days. I don’t know if there are internal injuries, I thought I saw bloody poop? I do know it’s been stringy white poo though most likely from stress. All other fish are happy as can be and no sign of illness with them. The wound looks a little better. 

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Update on the fish. I was able to see more of her wounds. Near her rectum there is a biggish hole/wound. That must have been the bloody area I thought I saw before. It is slowly healing but I am still worried that she is not eating. I am positive she was attacked by the cat. I will wait for your response before doing anything else. She is stable just not interested in eating. 

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The lack of interest in eating is worrisome.  Can you take clearer pictures under bright light?

 

I agree with Koko.  NO melafix. 1 tsp per gallon (or .1%) aquarium safe salt, or 1/2 tsp methylene blue mixed into the water (1/2 teaspoon total, not per gallon).

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I’m sad to report that my fish has passed away. She was fine this morning and when I got home she was floating. I’m so sad, she was my favorite fish and the first to come up for feeding. She would shake her entire body when she wanted food. I don’t know how this happened. I think she may have had an internal injuries or a bleed other than what I could see externally. The other fish are fine and acting normal. Thank you for your help. 

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I’m sorry to hear that.  That was why I was worried about the lack of eating - the shock after an injury can be bad, and if a goldfish isn’t hungry we are always worried.

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Her body was red and swollen/filled with blood. It wasn’t like that yesterday. The hole/puncture wound looked to be healing as well as the fleshy wound. Is it normal for the body to fill with blood after death? 

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12 minutes ago, pz2008 said:

Her body was red and swollen/filled with blood. It wasn’t like that yesterday. The hole/puncture wound looked to be healing as well as the fleshy wound. Is it normal for the body to fill with blood after death? 

Sometimes they can have internal bleeding as they’re dying but that’s usually due to something rupturing, like liver or kidneys... I’ve had a few poor fish start bleeding out their vents right before passing with conditions like dropsy having set in 😭

 

But if it got noticeably worse while she was still alive I think you’re right an internal injury could have been the issue.  Even heavy bruising under the scraped scales and puncture could have done it.  Without a necropsy on her we can’t know for sure, though.  I’m sorry for your loss :(

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Thank you so much. I’m just feeling guilty I guess. She had grown so much in the short time I had her and appeared so full of life. 

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I'm so sorry for your loss 

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