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Goldfish stressed and not eating, don't know why????

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Nope, just leave be plants in with the meth blue :)  Keep the filters running too, but lights off. The UV light breaks down the dye molecule faster.

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Alright. Starting the meds now and I can say that last night I didn't have the blue in and without it he is considerably different in behavior and just to confirm, one scoop kana for 10 gallons? The bottle says 1 for 5 for 3 days

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Hmmm.... that doesn’t sound right.  Can you take a picture of your kanamycin directions so I can verify?  They may have changed formulations or strengths from what I’m familiar with.

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Interesting!  They did that with Metroplex but Kanaplex used to be dosed per ten gallons.  Okay, two scoops then, as you’re using ten gallon quarantine water volume, correct? And redose daily, since you’re doing 100% daily water changes.

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sounds good

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Would it be alright if I don't use furan for the last 4 days of treatment? I've only bought one box when has 10 packets. Also for running the mblue in the tank, I have not done it yet because how unbelievably busy I am and I haven't found the time to remove the sand, but I have scheduled it for tomorrow. How long should I leave him out while I treat it? I know I put mblue in every 4 days but am I doing this 2 weeks? Karmas treatment ends next Thursday 

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Upon having the Mblue in the tank for about a week, there seems to be some growths. The growths on the bottom I assume to be algae, but something is off about it. And there seems to be fungus on my water wisteria. I feel like it may be best to scrap the plants. Perhaps I should just redo the tank. If I do, would the sand be safe after completely drying out or is it best to buy new sand? I'm not really sure how I should go on at this point. 

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The plants will bounce back.  I just had to run some meth Blue in my own tank and got the same, it’s a biofilm and no big deal.  Wipe down the glass, trim off any dead leaves, you’ll be fine.

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Ok. The mblue has been running for a little over a week in the main tank. Would I change out all the water, rescape, and add him back in? 

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Yes, exactly.  And keep an eye on the ammonia levels, you may see a little cycle bump and have to do more frequently water changes for awhile since it can knock back the denitrifying bacteria a bit.

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Just want to give some updates. I moved him back Sunday and so far he's been doing just fine. Almost all my plants died so I just replaced them and overall the tank is more of the design I wanted in the first place. He has been eating well and energetic. Last time he fell ill within three days so things are already looking up. Fingers crossed he's all better this time! Never realized how big he was!

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My goodness gracious he quit eating once again. Might be time for prazi then. I ran the tank with mblue for about a week and a half. He was all good except today he's spitting out the food again, still sifting but spitting out the pellets. Today is the 10th day of being back in the tank. 

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Prior to this, I had not fed him yesterday or monday because I was barely home. 

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Will he eat something other than pellets?  I’m honestly stumped at this point.  We treated pretty extensively and there seems to be environmental issues at play that aren’t happening in quarantine?

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I'll pick up some peas and see if he'll take them. He also still has one of those bumps on his head and other than that he's been all normal. Poop is translucent still, though. But not all of it is. Some is solid. Quarentine resided on the ground in my kitchen. The only differences in the quarentine opposed  to the tank I can point out are: no traces of any nitrogen compound in the water, generally colder, no decor, and smaller. Other than that there really is no difference between the two. My current params are 0 ammonia and nitrite with around 40 ppm nitrate, which seems a bit high for only a week and I'm surprised I didn't get result for ammonia.

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As for sand, I didn't go completely bare bottom because I wanted to have the plants, but I left the middle bare bottom and I drop the food in the middle where there are only rogue sand particles 

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He goes for the food, but either spits it out or just becomes disinterested. Like he'll swim to it when it's falling, but then not care for it once it's hit the ground. 

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I guess there's also no bubbler in the main tank like there is in the other 

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I've gone ahead and moved him back into quarantine. Even though he was not lying down, bloated, etc, it all started with him not eating. If he starts eating in QT, then I will know for sure it is solely that tank and will take necessary measure to make it safe again. I have him in with both a sponge filter and an airstone this time. 

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Sounds good, let us know if that helps.  You should be able to tell within two or three days I’d guess.  I’m sorry we couldn’t be more help. I can ask the rest of the team to get some fresh eyes on this.

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You have helped so much and most of all gave me hope to help him through this. I've also learned so much about medications and what not. He will reside in quarantine and if he gets better in there, I guess the only thing left to do is a complete tank take down. I'll replace the sand and filter media. Is there anything I should do to perhaps sterilize the tank and decor? This experience is honestly all to weird, but I'm not sure what's left to do. I can't just completely buy a new tank. Any recommended substrates? Should I just go bare bottom with some plants in terracotta pots or something of the sort? Or would it be okay to have sand again? 

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Is his quarantine tank the only tank you have?  If so, and he stays healthy you don't need to do anything but routine maintenance.

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