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Dear Goldfish Lover,

I like to have a tank thread here, hope you don't mind it~

Thanks,

Ryan 

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Go for it 😀

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Is it right sub-forum to hold a tank thread? I thought it will be fun to have member's tank threads, so that progress can be shared and things/lessons can be learned

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10 hours ago, BlueTriggerFish said:

Is it right sub-forum to hold a tank thread? I thought it will be fun to have member's tank threads, so that progress can be shared and things/lessons can be learned

We have an area where ppl show there tanks and fish and such. :) https://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/113-non-planted-tank-photos/

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Thank you Koko, will move to there


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World Cup for fish

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Some Update~ introduced few new tank mates

 

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Hi Ryan. Do you have Angelfish in the tank?

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1 hour ago, DawnMichele said:

Hi Ryan. Do you have Angelfish in the tank?

It sure does look like it :yikes 

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Hi Ryan. Keeping Goldfish & Angelfish together is a BAD idea!!! They both have different needs. Temperature is different. Angelfish like it 75 or higher. Angelfish are AGGRESSIVE!!! They are part of the Cichlid family. They will prey on Goldfish. You need a VERY large aquarium for them because they both need ample space. They both eat a lot of the same foods but Angelfish need more protein and foods designed for them. I just don't see it working.

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Thank u Michele for the concern~

Let's see What if: 1) I decided to keep these gold fish on higher temperature for the sake of their immune system...and

2) they seem to get alone...such as

3) Angels will tick on parasite of big pigs...I mean gold fishes are pigs

4) Discuss is in fact king of tank, could attach anybody in the tank, but get alone with bigs and almost don't bother to tick em...

 

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The LED light throws the white balance off cell phone cameral, esp. display on PC screen... more realistic color at around 14K:

 

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Thank u Michele for the concern~ Let's see What if: 1) I decided to keep these gold fish on higher temperature for the sake of their immune system...and 2) they seem to get alone...such as

3) Angels will tick on parasite of big pigs...I mean gold fishes are pigs

4) Discuss is in fact king of tank, could attach anybody in the tank, but get alone with bigs and almost don't bother to tick em...

 

 

 I'll share my imput, feel free to ignore since its your tank... hut at the same time, please also take into consideration.

 

 

 

1. High temperatures are likely to cause more problems then help to prevent. High temperatures speed up their metabolism - they are poikilotherms - and actually decrease their lifespan... so you in theory get to spend less time with the fish.. and enjoy them.

Likewise, they are cold blooded fish and after countless years of evolution can not be ignored as you plop them into warmer waters. They have evolved to have biochemical pathways which require specialised conditions, and warmer temperature is also likely to cause problems like alterations in protein synthesis.

 

2. (I assume you meant along). Just because they seem to get along now, doesnt mean they will down the track. If your familiar with bettas, they also do fine in community setups but some have had problems where the betta will attack and kill their tankmates overnight.

Similar are angelfish, especially as they mature. Angels turn into large, territorial adults and they are not afraid to show who is boss. Due to goldfish varieties often being a bit slow - due to their deformities, excess finnage or their cute chubbiness for example - they aren't capable of evading angels in time of need, and can easily result in serious injuries.

 

3. I have no idea what you meant by 3)... is it possible if you could reword it to help me understand you?

 

4. Discus aren't really aggressive fish, unless they are spawning - and a lot of fish that have parental care will habe heightened aggression. Naturally they are skittish fish, and require temperatures over 80F to keep them happy and healthy - which is further away from the ideal goldie temp, which many keep them somewhere around the 70F mark. Discus also require large schools to order to help reduce stress, hence the reason why many aquariums have more than a couple discus in there - many suggest 5+.

Remember that both the angel and discus require a high 'meaty' diet, while the goldfish do better with a high concentration of veggie matter... the wild ancestors of the goldies were mostly herbivorous fish, and as mentioned before, countless millennia of evolution of the ancestral species will and can not be ignored after keeping them in altered conditions for a couple of generations/years.

 

I fully agree with Dawn on the matter, and would highly suggest reading scientific articles, YouTube, web-sites (such as this one) and make an informed choice. Your fish are living beings, and deserve the best possible care!

 

 

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Thanks you Aussie Dude, points taken. But I am happen to believe, that I am giving them the best care~

 

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8 hours ago, aussieJJDude said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great info Jay!!!

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Good luck with your fish Ryan!!! Hope evreything works out for the best.

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Great info Jay!!!
Thanks Dawn! :)

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On 7/1/2018 at 9:39 AM, aussieJJDude said:

1. High temperatures are likely to cause more problems then help to prevent. High temperatures speed up their metabolism - they are poikilotherms - and actually decrease their lifespan... so you in theory get to spend less time with the fish.. and enjoy them.

Likewise, they are cold blooded fish and after countless years of evolution can not be ignored as you plop them into warmer waters. They have evolved to have biochemical pathways which require specialised conditions, and warmer temperature is also likely to cause problems like alterations in protein synthesis.

Higher temperatures do speed up metabolism and result in rapid growth, maturity, and aging.   Goldfish are labeled as "cold water fish" as opposed to tropical fish, meaning they don't need a heated aquarium.  In fact goldfish have one of the widest ranges of temperature tolerance known  -- from just above freezing to 41C/106F.  They thrive outdoors in tropical waters and under ice in cold winter lakes/ponds.

Native goldfish can be found in the Southern Yangtze River, in an area with a climate similar to FL.  http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0059571

I thought I had read all of the myths about goldfish, but the idea that higher (than room temperature) temperatures benefit the immune system is a new one to me.  

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This user has posted on multiple sites and been warned multiple times about this odd mix of species. The fish all need different environments as well. There are Guppies, Angelfish, a lone Discus (really not appropriate to keep this species alone and he is clearly very stressed), and fancy goldfish all in an empty looking tank. Telling him anything is an unfortunate waste of time. 

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This user has posted on multiple sites and been warned multiple times about this odd mix of species. The fish all need different environments as well. There are Guppies, Angelfish, a lone Discus (really not appropriate to keep this species alone and he is clearly very stressed), and fancy goldfish all in an empty looking tank. Telling him anything is an unfortunate waste of time. 
Shame tbh. Thanks for posting this, theres no point in wasting everyones time so this certainly does help!

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1st I have to defend myself,  1) keeping Goldfish at higher temp 70 up is feasible, keep a discuss /angel /platy at that temp is feasible as well. The discus was not stressed, he eat like pig and if he like, he can attack any gold fish in the tank  2)Food, I feed my fish blood worm so they all get enough protein, and peas for gold fish, tropical fake for protein again and all the fishes in the tank could digest well
 
You should really look and judge and open minded, the lone discus are much less stressful than those in discuss tank
 
 

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Some update:
Being busy, Scored some nice fish at a show and got couple of more tanks 
Hence the dear Discus Angel Platy has being moved out to new tanks
Now, all gold fish tanks are on room temp... 
 
25GL I am testing high flow/influence to certain breed
 

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25GL I am testing high flow/influence to certain breed

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