White spots on new fish

[Bpanelli]

Hi all.

Could anyone tell me what this might be.  New oranda in QT tank, daily water changes with .01% salt.  72-74 degree temp.

Parameters are good with the daily changes.  Using a good dose of Prime to condition water as the tap has  1 ppm ammonia.

Fish eating normally and acting normally and has had some white fluffs on wen that come and sluff off fairly quickly.  But the spots on/under  the scale are new and has redness as well so more concerned as to what it may be.

 

Link to pics here:

http://s1302.photobucket.com/user/ameliafish/library/

 

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Thank you.

Brett

[shakaho]

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Test Results for the Following: * Ammonia Level(Tank) * Nitrite Level(Tank) * Nitrate level(Tank) * Ammonia Level(Tap) * Nitrite Level(Tap) * Nitrate level(Tap) * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) Other Required Info: * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? * Water temperature? * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? * How often do you change the water and how much?

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? * How many fish in the tank and their size? * What kind of water additives or conditioners? * What do you feed your fish and how often? * Any new fish added to the tank? * Any medications added to the tank? * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

[Bpanelli]

Hi,

All tank parameters below. - thanks for any advice!  The white spots tend to sluff off as they grow out from under the scale - FYI.

Still eating normally and acting good.

Brett

 

• • * Ammonia Level(Tank)  1 - Use Prime to detoxify tap water ammonia.
  • * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0
  • * Nitrate level(Tank)  5 plus ppm 
  • * Ammonia Level(Tap) 1
  • * Nitrite Level(Tap) 0
  • * Nitrate level(Tap) 5 ppm
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) . PH = 8  KH= 6 drops  GH = 10 drops
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)   PH = 8  KH= 7 drops  GH = 8 drops
  • Other Required Info:
    • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?  API drops
    • * Water temperature?  72 
    • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?  17 gallons -- running 2 weeks
    • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? 1 No filtration
    • * How often do you change the water and how much? Daily.  50-80%
• * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? today
• * How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 -  4 inches
• * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime 
• * What do you feed your fish and how often? Give the brand, type of food (sinking/floating pellets, gel food, steamed vegetable, etc.), and how frequently you feed each.  Omega One sinking pellets - 3 pellets per day.
• * Any new fish added to the tank? No
• * Any medications added to the tank? Salt only
• * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.  Salt only
• * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? White spots indicated - See Pics
• * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? no - eating fine.  A bit of bottom "resting" maybe.

[shakaho]

It looks like you tested the tank right after a water change, which doesn't give useful information.  Please test again, just before the next water change.

Why do you not have a filter?

Did you mean 0.1% salt (one teaspoon per gallon)?

I really can't tell from the picture what might be the problem.  A multicolored fish with different scale types looks all lumpy in a picture.  Could you post some pictures from different angles and mark the areas you want us to look at.  A shot from the top helps, as does taking the fish out of the water for a close up.  

How long has the fish had these spots and how have they changed since you first  observed them?

[koko]

 

 

 

 

Sharon it looks to be those bacterial zits we see under the scales  

[koko]

[Bpanelli]

Hi

I change the water daily and those are the parameters I get - or very close to those numbers.  I really don't feel it is anything with the water quality due to the daily water changes I'm doing and feeding low amounts of food.  And I do have a filter without media in running just keep the water flowing and aerated.

 And yes I meant .1% salt -- sorry about that.

 

Thanks for posting the pics to the thread Koko - I didn't know one could do that. I will do it in the future as well.

 

And regarding bacterial pimples?  I do have some meds here on hand.  What might be the best course of action here?  The fish is swimming and eating normally still.

 

Thank you!

Brett

[koko]

20 minutes ago, Bpanelli said:

Hi

I change the water daily and those are the parameters I get - or very close to those numbers.  I really don't feel it is anything with the water quality due to the daily water changes I'm doing and feeding low amounts of food.  And I do have a filter without media in running just keep the water flowing and aerated.

If it was me I would get the filter running with Filter media. This is going to keep your tank cycled  Ammonia should be consumed in 24 hours

 

20 minutes ago, Bpanelli said:

 And yes I meant .1% salt -- sorry about that.

 

Thanks for posting the pics to the thread Koko - I didn't know one could do that. I will do it in the future as well.

Yup you can  

20 minutes ago, Bpanelli said:

 

And regarding bacterial pimples?  I do have some meds here on hand.  What might be the best course of action here?  The fish is swimming and eating normally still.

 

Thank you!

Brett

What kind of meds do you have on hand.... This will help us  

[Bpanelli]

I have Metroplex, Metrozidanol, Furan-2, Para Guard, and liquid Prazi.

I'll get the media in the filter too.

Thank you!

Brett

[shakaho]

Where did you get this fish?  Have you told the seller about the condition?

I would do salt dips rather than medicating.

[koko]

49 minutes ago, shakaho said:

I would do salt dips rather than medicating.

I was getting all the information for you hun

 

[Bpanelli]

Hi

Thank you both for your advice and apologies for the delay in responding...very busy days going on here.

I will try the salt dips.  Fish is acting normally still and the spot has not been getting worse so all is ok for now. 

 

Thank you!

Brett

[Bpanelli]

Hello there...

So I just did a salt dip at 2% dilution.  The fish went on her side very quickly.  I prodded her to get her to move and she uprighted herself but pretty much went straight back on her side.  It made me a bit nervous so I only kept her in 1 full minute - and I felt like i was pushing to get to the 1 minute mark.  She's in a bucket of fresh water with air right now and I was thinking of maybe giving her a 2nd dip in about 30-45 minutes.  Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Brett

 

[koko]

24 minutes ago, Bpanelli said:

Hello there...

So I just did a salt dip at 2% dilution.  The fish went on her side very quickly.  I prodded her to get her to move and she uprighted herself but pretty much went straight back on her side.  It made me a bit nervous so I only kept her in 1 full minute - and I felt like i was pushing to get to the 1 minute mark.  She's in a bucket of fresh water with air right now and I was thinking of maybe giving her a 2nd dip in about 30-45 minutes.  Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Brett

 

I would wait till tomorrow 

[Bpanelli]

Ok.  I have a very full work day tomorrow so will have to be Tuesday.  Would it be best to go to a 1% solution and hope for a longer dip?  Or keep with the 2% and plan another 1 minute dip?  Seems like a very short dip compared to the protocol I read.  Is there a medicated procedure I might plan on if the dips are too short to be effective?

Thanks again!  So appreciate it!

Brett

[koko]

56 minutes ago, Bpanelli said:

Ok.  I have a very full work day tomorrow so will have to be Tuesday.  Would it be best to go to a 1% solution and hope for a longer dip?  Or keep with the 2% and plan another 1 minute dip?  Seems like a very short dip compared to the protocol I read.  Is there a medicated procedure I might plan on if the dips are too short to be effective?

Thanks again!  So appreciate it!

Brett

I would go with a 1% one because of the reaction then try to move it to 2% later after you see he's not tilting anymore in the salt  

[Bpanelli]

Ok will do -- thank you again!

Brett

[shakaho]

Exactly how did you prepare the 1% dip?  How much water and how much salt?

[Bpanelli]

Hello

I did a 2% solution.  I used a large bowl with 1/2 gallon of water and 10 tsp of salt.  The spot has gotten bigger and larger red area.  I can do another salt dip today but feel the fish does not take to it well from the experience of the last dip.  Any suggestions would be great.

Thank you.

Brett 

[koko]

18 minutes ago, Bpanelli said:

Hello

I did a 2% solution.  I used a large bowl with 1/2 gallon of water and 10 tsp of salt.  The spot has gotten bigger and larger red area.  I can do another salt dip today but feel the fish does not take to it well from the experience of the last dip.  Any suggestions would be great.

Thank you.

Brett 

Can we have an updated photo please  

[Bpanelli]

Having trouble posting images directly in the thread still -- can you tell me how please??

Here is a link to photobucket page though.

Thank you!

[Bpanelli]

sorry - here is link:

<iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://s1302.photobucket.com/user/ameliafish/embed/slideshow/"></iframe>

[Bpanelli]

Trying again---

http://s1302.photobucket.com/user/ameliafish/library/

[koko]

Its okay... use the direct link they have and just paste that in the thread

 

That is getting worse.... If it was me I would treat it with Metro  

[koko]

I would take the salt out too