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Oh noes! Can I do anything about this? [Mildly disturbing image]

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My telescope eye hit his eye on some driftwood I think.  He's got a horrible eye injury in one eye.  This eye is twice as large as his other one.  Can anything be done for this?

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Not much to do except put the fish in a quarantine with warm water, no lights, and just observe.  Keep stress low.  If it bursts you can add .1% salt to discourage fungal and bacterial growth in the wound.  

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I agree with Arctic Mamma. Good luck.

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Does it look like it could be from a bacterial infection?   None of the other fish or his other eye seem affected...

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4 hours ago, EvilVegan said:

Does it look like it could be from a bacterial infection?   None of the other fish or his other eye seem affected...

To me it looks as though he injured his eye on something and now its infected. Like AM said

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Not much to do except put the fish in a quarantine with warm water, no lights, and just observe.  Keep stress low.  If it bursts you can add .1% salt to discourage fungal and bacterial growth in the wound.

 

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Just making sure I'm treating the right things. QT going.  I think it has burst a little, it looks like the bottom is torn...

 

I have furan and medicated food already, should I do those?  The eye is still getting bigger.

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No meds, just clean water and low salt if it has burst or is open at all. If it's started to rupture a bit on the bottom the teaspoon per gallon of salt would be well met, but there is zero reason to start any antibiotics or even antifungal treatment beyond that.

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Hope his eye feels better.

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Thanks AM, I thought it was too soon for antibiotics.  

Any suggestions on temp?  I've got him in a 55 gallon tank that's half full, so not very deep and good agitation/oxygen levels.  I moved over some filter media too.  He's at 75 degrees right now to keep him in the same temp range as the display tank.

Anything conclusive for Melafix?  I've heard different reports on it's efficacy.

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Melafix stinks, in my opinion.  I have had it cause more distress than ease any symptoms, but I may have sensitive fish.  Warmer temperatures would just matter if the fish had been kept in cooler water but 75 is probably just fine for this, since we have no reason to suspect a parasite or infection whose life cycle we want to speed up.

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OMG salt is magic.  His eye is back to normal size except for the red part still sticking out of his pupil... not sure what to do about that.  

Maybe push on it? :(

He's swimming around much more today than yesterday.

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Don't touch it.  Just leave the fish alone for a few days and monitor the water.  Really.  That's all that needs to be done.  The eye will heal or it won't but messing with it can damage the underlying structures further, stress the fish, or even scrape off some slime cost and give a vector for an infection to take hold.  Our goal in treatment is to help the fish help itself by creating an immune supportive environment.  Sometimes that involves removing damaged tissue or adding in medication, but the underlying goal is the same.  In the case of an eye injury the very best way to support him healing himself is to leave him alone in a clean, safe environment.  

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I was mostly kidding.  I'm not poking nothing!

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Well the salt water did wonders, his eye returned to normal size and even the red bit I thought was going to be wonky forever fixed itself.  So I put him back in the main tank.

About a week later, he's apparently started flashing (I haven't seen him do it yet, but my friend says he saw it) and has a giant fungal patch on his side and a hole in his beautiful tail.   If you see him from his right side he's fantastic.  If you see him from his left side he looks like a zombie horror show.  He's missing about 20% of his scales on one side, has a hole the size of a quarter on that side's tail fin.  He looks like Two-Face.  And unfortunately he almost always hangs out with his right side facing the room (which is why I missed it).

All 5 of my other fish look great, no spots or missing scales or clamped fins or anything.  I'm so confused and sad that my prettiest fish is turning into a nightmare creature.

I assume the directions are the same?  Isolate, salt, etc.

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Photos or a video would help out a lot :) 

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This was about 12 hours before he tore open his tail.  The white parts are missing scales and are now covered in about 1/8th inch of white fuzz.

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If it was me hun....

I would get a qt tank yes salt and if you can silver... the silver is a natural antibiotic and help in healing :) 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0011DN7YQ/ref=sxr_rr_xsim1_a_it?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=2795440402&pd_rd_wg=d77vT&pf_rd_r=X9EKFAFSHD9SDD5G461X&pf_rd_s=desktop-rhs-carousels&pf_rd_t=301&pd_rd_i=B0011DN7YQ&pd_rd_w=9MNUf&pf_rd_i=colloidal+silver+50+ppm&pd_rd_r=C8PT0FMHVPM2VJETCAC1&ie=UTF8&qid=1487088750&sr=1

Something like this. If and when you do get it let me know and We will help with the dose :) 

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Silver will also keep the werewolves from bothering him.  

I have the QT tank, just need to get it back up and cycled again (I just broke it all down for storage!)

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1 minute ago, EvilVegan said:

Silver will also keep the werewolves from bothering him.  

I have the QT tank, just need to get it back up and cycled again (I just broke it all down for storage!)

:teehee

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You have a tank problem.  Please fill out the form and show us some full-tank pictures so we can figure out what to fix.

Please copy & paste fill the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems:

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      • * Water temperature?
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)    
      • 0
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)        
      • 0
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)        
      • ~5-10 (didn't really change color after 30 seconds, I can't tell)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)      
      • 0
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)          
      • 0
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)          
      • 0
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)  
      • 7.8
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
      • 7.8  Water is known to be hard, but I don't have a good test kit for it right now.  

 

    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?  
        • API Drops
      • * Water temperature?
        • 74
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?  
        • 120 (display) + 60 (refugium) gallons running for a couple months, using 100% of the filter media from a tank that had been running for 3 years (that previous tank is the refugium)
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
        • DIY 15-gallons-of-media (sponges and bioballs) Overflow/60 gallon Refugium.  Overturning around 600 GPH 
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
        • Bi-Weekly, 20-40% depending on tannins.
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
    • 20%, ~2 weeks.
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
    • 6 fish ranging from 2 inches to 7 inches (not counting tail)
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
    • Prime
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
    • Mix of Hikari and pro-gold.  twice per day.
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
    • No
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
    • Just added PraziPro and Pimafix
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
    • Was in QT with salt (~0.2%.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
    • Fungus and now his skin is missing.
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?
    • Flashing (not witnessed by me).  Eats fine, swims fine.  If he wasn't a zombie I'd think he was fine.   Not behaving differently than other fish.
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  • The plant is heavily planted with an off-cycle refugium that keeps oxygen at a good level with super low nitrates.  Pretty sure he just hit the driftwood while turning and got a cut that got infected.  I've removed all driftwood.  QT is getting up to room temp now.

    Here's a video showing my setup.  Enjoy the music, youtube picked it.
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Gorgeous!!!!

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He's in his QT. Acting fine.

Here's a video showing both sides.... 

 

 

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I'm glad you removed the driftwood.  I saw some in the earlier picture and wanted to see what else might be in the tank.  I don't see anything.

When you have a large patch of exposed muscle like that you have a very high risk of infection, which can quickly become fatal.   Please raise the salt concentration to 0.3% and do 100% daily water changes.   I suggest you get this product as quickly as possible and apply it to the wound.

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