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As requested...

 

Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level(Tank) – 0.25ppm

* Nitrite Level(Tank) – 0ppm

* Nitrate level(Tank) – 20ppm

 

* Ammonia Level(Tap) – 0.25ppm

* Nitrite Level(Tap) – 0ppm

* Nitrate level(Tap) – 5ppm. Nitrates out my tap are generally 20-40ppm so I use a Pozzani filter to filter the water into tubs which I treat with Prime and usually let sit for 24hrs before adding to the tank. The ‘tap’ figures above are the levels in the water that has been filtered, treated and stood.

 

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) – 7.4ph

 

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) – 7.4ph

 

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API freshwater master kit (drops)

 

* Water temperature? – 25C (77F)

 

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? Juwel Rio 240 (approx. 240l) running for 2.5 years

 

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Internal Juwel Bioflow 3.0 (600lph) & Fluval FX6 (3500lph) set up on 01-Dec

 

* How often do you change the water and how much? 150 litres at the weekend with a midweek change of approx. 90 litres.

 

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Sunday 150 litres (next one due tonight of 90 litres)

 

* How many fish in the tank and their size? 3 in total. Orange Fantail “Dad” approx. 12 years old (5” body), Chocolate Oranda “Piggy” approx. 2 years old (6” body), White Oranda “Winston” approx.. 2 years old (4” body), 3 nerite snails

 

* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime

 

* What do you feed your fish and how often? Tetra Gold Japan, Hikari Oranda Gold (saturated using a pellet pump), peas a couple of times a week, occasional veggie usually lettuce/cucumber, Repashy Soilent Green

 

* Any new fish added to the tank? No

 

* Any medications added to the tank? 

Currently running with 10 drops of silver (replaced every other day or after WC)

 

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. 

Melafix and Pimafix 9-Oct to 14-Oct

Salt Dips (Winston) 15-Oct to 20-Oct (max. 2% for 5 mins)

Fluke Solve 29-Oct to 12-Nov (2 weeks) Salt @ 0.3%

Silver Dips (Winston) 29-Oct to 9-Nov

Fluke Solve in QT tank (Winston) 12-Nov to 26-Nov (2 weeks) Salt @ 0.3%

Silver in main tank (10 drops) 10-Dec to date

 

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Main issue is with Winston the white oranda – displaying red/bloody/ragged/spotty/lumpy fins, red patch to cheeks & under chin, strange raised patch to one side (almost like raised scales), red sore to belly which comes & goes (currently gone), red pimples on wen.

 

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

All fish are swimming & feeding well.

 

Images below were taken last night. More can be found here, please take a look to see him at his worst & best - http://s613.photobucket.com/user/titch_ajb/library/Winston

 

I now have the following meds...

Metro+, Triple Sulpha, Furan-2, Silver, Myxazin, Sterazin, Fluke Solve,

 

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My eyes were glued to my monitor as I read through your last thread.  You all are working so hard for Winston -- I'm pulling for him!!!  He is gorgeous.

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My eyes were glued to my monitor as I read through your last thread.  You all are working so hard for Winston -- I'm pulling for him!!!  He is gorgeous.

 

Aww...thank you!  :thanks 

 

He seems perfectly happy in himself, just looks a bit ropey  :teehee

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Oh the poor baby! I hope he feels better soon :bighug

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OK do a large water change to get rid of the silver.  Then dose with both metro and furan 2 at the dosage  recommended on the package.  Continue the treatment for 2 weeks.

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Thanks Sharon.

I was under the impression I was going to treat Winston in QT, as such I don't have enough meds to treat the whole tank.

Additionally, Metro+ says to dose everyday following full or partial water change. The Furan-2 says dose daily with daily water change of 25%. Should I do bucket to bucket everyday (100% WC) or just 25%/day?

Recommended dosage of each med;

Metro+ - 9.7g per 10 gallons per day for 5-7 days (I have 194g in total)

Furan-2 - 1 packet per 10 gallons per day for 4 days which may be repeated (I have 10 packets so enough for only 10 days in QT)

What do you recommended I do?

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Yes, you treat in the QT.  I had forgotten that you had moved him to the main tank.  

 

When you change water, dose the new water with the recommended dose of each medication.  25% water change per day should work fine as long as that keeps ammonia no higher than 1 mg/l and you dose the new water with Prime for the full volume of the tank.  If you see any nitrite at all, add 1 teaspoon of salt per ten gallons.   Prime can protect against up to 1mg/l of nitrite, but salt handles much more nitrite.

 

I think they want you to keep adding more medication every day because most people treat the main tank, which contains lot of organic material that can inactivate the medication.  You don't have that problem in a QT, so we recommend just maintaining the original concentration by treating the new water.

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Hope Winston feels better soon!!!

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So 25% WC each day replacing just 25% of the dosage or 100%?

Sorry I'm confused (I blame the holiday season!!)

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You replace 25% of the original medicine amount since that's how much you took out.

 

 

I just dose the clean water.  Thinking about replacing what was removed makes my head spin. :)

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For what it's worth I usually just move fish to bowl, siphon out 100% of the water, and redose both meds in their entirety each day before replacing the fish to the quarantine. It's just so much easier and keeps the water quality higher. That works less well in a big quarantine but is no problem for a ten gallon.

Either works, but daily 100% changes for the Furan and metro are my preference.

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what  a beautiful fish you have,and your in great hands here for care,so I'll just keep you in my thoughts for speedy recovery :)

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Happy new year to you all. I hope you enjoyed the festivities.

 

I'm back with an update.

 

On Sunday, Winston completed the 2 weeks in QT with Metro+ & Furan-2 and I placed him back into the main tank. He looked much better with just a single red spot on his back towards the end of his dorsal fin.

 

Nothing out of the ordinary yesterday, but I woke up this morning to this... he looks AWFUL!! This has literally come up overnight.

 

Last water change on the main tank was on Saturday (150 litres) with the next due tomorrow of roughly the same volume.

 

Any ideas?

 

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I don't know what your fish has, but we didn't make one thing clear.  You treat with metro for a minimum of two weeks and up to a month.  When I treat an infection,  the fish stays in the QT for a month after all symptoms disappear and the medication has completed. (Probably a little extreme.)

 

Can you find a veterinarian who will take some scrapes of those lesions and get or do an analysis of the parasites/pathogens present? You don't need a fish specialist.  

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Hi Sharon,

 

Ok, I'll set the QT tank back up tonight and start dosing with Metro+ again.

 

I'm pretty much out of the Furan-2, so am I OK to treat with the Metro+ only?

 

Vets & scrapes are pretty much out of the question, highly likely I'd get laughed off the premises. After all, it's just a fish right?!  :madrant

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I don't know what your fish has, but we didn't make one thing clear.  You treat with metro for a minimum of two weeks and up to a month.  When I treat an infection,  the fish stays in the QT for a month after all symptoms disappear and the medication has completed. (Probably a little extreme.)

 

QT will be ready for Winston tonight. Am I OK to dose only with Metro+?

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I don't know.  It depends on whether metro kills the bacteria that infect your fish.  We usually recommend two agents to cover as many different types of pathogens as possible,  Unfortunately, we can't scrape the lesions and identify the pathogens so we have to use what has worked for fish with similar symptoms.

 

I doubt that a vet would laugh at the prospect of making a lot of money from a simple scrape, but I think you might cry at the price.

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I'm sure I would! Lol!! Basic consultation is generally extortionate, let alone a procedure.

I'm about to put him in QT. I'll hold off on meds until I hear otherwise.

To recap I have Metro+, Furan-2 (3 sachets), Triple Sulpha (10 sachets), Fluke Solve, salt, Myxazin & Sterazin.

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Me again.

Winston is in QT & his redness has subsided quite a lot (still a patch on his belly, but everything else has nearly cleared) which makes me think.....

Perhaps Koko was right, maybe the problem is with the Juwel internal filter.

I'll be doing my large WC tomorrow which would be an ideal time to remove it, if you think that's the right move. 

What do you all think? It would leave me with just the FX6, which should be ok on its own, yes?

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On 1/7/2017 at 8:06 AM, titch said:

Me again.

Winston is in QT & his redness has subsided quite a lot (still a patch on his belly, but everything else has nearly cleared) which makes me think.....

Perhaps Koko was right, maybe the problem is with the Juwel internal filter.

I'll be doing my large WC tomorrow which would be an ideal time to remove it, if you think that's the right move. 

What do you all think? It would leave me with just the FX6, which should be ok on its own, yes?

I would take it out and keep it out, Goldfish really just produce to much waste for it and it gets yucky really fast. I couldnt even use on in my guppy tank, it just got really bad :(

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7 hours ago, koko said:

I would take it out and keep it out, Goldfish really just produce to much waste for it and it gets yucky really fast. I couldnt even use on in my guppy tank, it just got really bad :(

Hi Koko,

i took it out last Sunday during the WC - tank looks soooo much bigger!

Winston is still in QT. No meds, just bucket to bucket everyday. Redness is back to belly, wen & top of gill, and the leading edge of his tail has big red spots which I've been referring to as barnacles to my husband as they're like lumps attached. I've taken photos but can't upload until I'm back at work on Tuesday (only have access to Internet on my phone & takes too much data to load). All fins have red streaking too  

Don't really know where to go from here. Redness seems to come & go randomly. 

I have plenty of Metro+ on hand but only 3 sachets of Furan-2. Have ordered more but won't be here for a while. Also ordered Seachem's Metroplex, Sulfaplex, Kanaplex & Focus. 

Anything I can do whilst I'm waiting?

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I really need to see the fish first hun... :)

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On 1/15/2017 at 5:11 PM, koko said:

I really need to see the fish first hun... :)

Photos as promised...

They don't really show the lumps/barnacles on the tail very well, the edge was forever folded underneath, but you get the idea. I hope.

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And another taken just now

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