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Breeding Stars or Ich/or both?

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My new Black Oranda has breeding stars without a doubt on his pectoral fins (look closely and you will see them), but now im seeing white specs on his body and tail!!!!!! Is this ich should I begin treating?

 

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Hello! Please fill this out and mods will be along to help ASAP.

Please copy & paste fill the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems:

* Test Results for the Following:

* * Ammonia Level(Tank)

* * Nitrite Level(Tank)

* * Nitrate level(Tank)

* * Ammonia Level(Tap)

* * Nitrite Level(Tap)

* * Nitrate level(Tap)

* * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

* * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

* Other Required Info:

* * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?

* * Water temperature?

* * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?

* * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?

* * How often do you change the water and how much?

* * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?

* * How many fish in the tank and their size?

* * What kind of water additives or conditioners?

* * What do you feed your fish and how often?

* * Any new fish added to the tank?

* * Any medications added to the tank?

* * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

* * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

* * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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Hello! Please fill this out and mods will be along to help ASAP.

Please copy & paste fill the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems:

* Test Results for the Following:

* * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0

* * Nitrite Level(Tank)0

* * Nitrate level(Tank)5.0

* * Ammonia Level(Tap)0

* * Nitrite Level(Tap)0

* * Nitrate level(Tap)0

* * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.6

* * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)6.0

* Other Required Info:

* * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API, Drops

* * Water temperature?78 degrees

* * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 29 gallons, 2 Goldfish (will be upgrading soon). Been running for about a month

* * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?Aqueon quiet flow HOB 200GPH, Aquaclear 20 100GPH

* * How often do you change the water and how much?Twice a week, 50-75%

* * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?1 day ago, 50%

* * How many fish in the tank and their size? 2, about 5 inches for both

* * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Just water conditioner

* * What do you feed your fish and how often? Pellets, Gel Food, Twice a Day

* * Any new fish added to the tank? Yes

* * Any medications added to the tank? No

* * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. Nothing at the moment

* * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Grains of salt on tail and body, but pectoral fins def are just breeding tubercles 

* * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? No, both very active

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Can you get any closer pics of the affected area? Im sure mods will need this when they show up. Even a video would be super useful. :)

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The ones on the tail bother me. But let's see what some others think. I agree more pics would be helpful.

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I hope your oranda is ok :)

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Hard to tell with his coloring etc. Looks like preliminary ich to me. You didn't quarantine this fish, right? Hopefully a mod will be here soon.

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Hard to tell with his coloring etc. Looks like preliminary ich to me. You didn't quarantine this fish, right? Hopefully a mod will be here soon.

No I didnt quaranine, I am seeing a lot of small white spots on his body as well now. Im 99% sure its ich. Im already beginning to raise the temp to 86 and adding some salt.

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86° is too high. I had ich on a fish, he healed from the ich with around 78-80° maximum. Also, you can't just add "some salt", it has to be a certain kind of salt and a certain amount. Please wait for a mod.

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How much salt have you added and what kind?

What is the current temp? I went up to 82f when treating ich.

Knowing exactly what you've already got in there will help with assisting you

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Please add salt according to these instructions to 0.3%.  

 

Myra, Mandy, he started with a fairly high temperature of 78F, so going gradually to 86F should work well.  If his tank started at 70F, 86 F could stress the fish.  I thought the same thing you did until I read the form and found his starting temperature.

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I added 4 teaspoons of salt.

Can I just continue treatment with heat or is salt nescarry?

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Hope he feels better soon.

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Using salt.

 

You are treating a 29 gallon tank, right?  To get to 0.1% salt, you need to add 29 teaspoons of salt.  That can be aquarium salt, or any 100% NaCl.  Then after 12 hours, you add another 29 teaspoons to get to 0.2% salt, and repeat after another 12 hours.  When you do a water change during the treatment, you add 1 tablespoon of salt for each gallon of new water to maintain the 0.3% salt concentration.  You should continue the salt treatment for at least a week after the last spot disappears.

 

Heat alone will block the reproduction of the ich parasite rather than kill all stages of the parasite.  I really have not heard from anyone who treated this way successfully.  The combination of heat and daily 100% water changes should work.

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