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Nitrate poisoning or septicemia?

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  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0ppm
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0ppm
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)  it was hard to tell but at least 40ppm.. :no:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0 possibly .25ppm
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap) 0ppm
    • * Nitrate level(Tap) 0-5ppm
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.8
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.8
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API Drops
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 55 gallons. Not sure when I downgraded from my 120, but the same filter has been running for close to a year.
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Sunsun 304b 525GHP
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? A week ago about 40% and again today about 50%. Scared of putting them in shock by doing to much. I've never had the nitrate this high before.
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 4 goldies. 2 are about 3-4 inches. 1 is 4-5inches. and the new one is about 1.5 inches
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? prime.
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? Give the brand, type of food (sinking/floating pellets, gel food, steamed vegetable, etc.), and how frequently you feed each. NLS sinking pellets. peas, bloodworms, mixed veggies.
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? One new one. In QT for 3 weeks. No symptoms of anything. prazi
  • * Any medications added to the tank? none recently
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.  None to my main tank. only prazi to these fish.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Bloody streaks in fins. frayed fins
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? bottom sitting, but still eating. occasionally swimming around.

I noticed him bottom sitting today, so I tested the water and immediately did a water change after realizing my nitrates were 40ppm! Then upon further inspection saw the bloody streaks on his fins. He was hard to take a look at earlier since he is still relatively active, but now that the tank lights are off and he is sitting still I noticed his fins are fraying as well. It looked like the new fish was also taking little nips at his fin earlier. He is currently not bottom sitting but just kinda "floating around." I've never had my nitrates this high. I know its time for me to clean out the canister filter, but I had to get to work so I couldn't today. I'm going to do another water change tomorrow to lower the nitrates more and also clean out the filter.

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can you give us a run down of the prazi treatment and when it was done? 40ppm Nitrates is not ideal, however i also do not consider it to be a huge health threat to goldfish. traces of ammonia i would worry about more, but the blood smears and corroding edges of the fins is either a parasite issue or finrot.

 

i would go ahead and do another 50% wc.

 

with that stocking level, i would be doing a minimum 60% weekly and a midweekly 40% WC on the norm.

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Last time I did prazi for all of my fish or for the new one? I normally do about 80%-90% weekly and with the new fish I was going to add another water change mid week like you said since I know I'm pushing stocking limits.

As for prazi for all of my fish I think they are due, but I can check and see when the last time I did it was. For the new fish I did the 5 day routine.

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Please read our guidelines for healthy goldfish.  

 

Did you test before or after today's water change?

 

Do the fish lengths include the tail?

 

How often do you feed and how much?

 

A large change in nitrate level can be physiologically stressful to fish, and red veining can result from stress.  Red veining does not usually result from high nitrate, but high nitrate indicates poor water quality, which can cause this, among many problems, including a flare-up of flukes and bacterial infections.

 

Helen gave you a minimum water change schedule for maintaining nitrate levels with your large bioload.  Please change 30 - 50% daily until you get the nitrate down to 10ppm or lower, then maintain it with the 60% and 40% changes per week.  If nitrate goes up after that, you need the reduce the amount you feed.  

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Hope he feels better.

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Please read our guidelines for healthy goldfish.  

 

Did you test before or after today's water change?

 

Do the fish lengths include the tail?

 

How often do you feed and how much?

 

A large change in nitrate level can be physiologically stressful to fish, and red veining can result from stress.  Red veining does not usually result from high nitrate, but high nitrate indicates poor water quality, which can cause this, among many problems, including a flare-up of flukes and bacterial infections.

 

Helen gave you a minimum water change schedule for maintaining nitrate levels with your large bioload.  Please change 30 - 50% daily until you get the nitrate down to 10ppm or lower, then maintain it with the 60% and 40% changes per week.  If nitrate goes up after that, you need the reduce the amount you feed.  

 

I have read the guide lines before. I know am one fish over stocked, which is why I am adding another water change in the middle of the week.

The readings are before my water change.

Length of fish does not include tail.

I feed twice a day and only what they can consume in a minute.

 

I'm also aware of a large nitrate drop being stressful for them which is why I only did 50% instead of my usual. I am currently doing another water change right now.

Hope he feels better.

 

thank you Dawn

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His fins look worse today.

What should my next course of action be? Move him to QT and monitor, start meds, or just keep doing water changes?

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As long as you do the large daily water changes and he doesn't get worse, you can leave him in the main tank and treat all of the fish with prazi, as Helen recommended.

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Thank you.

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