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Is this what popeye looks like ?

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If popeye, does it take Kanamycin (12 day) treatment only or something else ?

 

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BEFORE (2 weeks ago)

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TODAY

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Beautiful little fish!

Yes that is pop eye. No, I wouldn't do kanamycin for it. Truthfully, for any fish showing fluid balance issues kanamycin isn't a good choice.

Can you go ahead and fill out the form? Pop eye doesn't come out of the blue, especially for good stock. We may be able to ID an environment cause. Fluctuating water parameters and other stressors can let those anaerobic bacteria take hold and treating the pop eye doesn't addddess the underlying issues.

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Beautiful little fish!

Yes that is pop eye. No, I wouldn't do kanamycin for it. Truthfully, for any fish showing fluid balance issues kanamycin isn't a good choice.

Can you go ahead and fill out the form? Pop eye doesn't come out of the blue, especially for good stock. We may be able to ID an environment cause. Fluctuating water parameters and other stressors can let those anaerobic bacteria take hold and treating the pop eye doesn't addddess the underlying issues.

Sorry for the delay..

 

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0
    • * Nitrate level(Tank) 40 (fluctuate from 5/10 to 40/50 in a weekly basis)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap) 0
    • * Nitrate level(Tap) 5
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.4
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.4
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API
      • * Water temperature? Fluctuates from 70-75 (Texas weather is crazy! & tank is next to window)
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 125G, 1yr
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? FX6 & sump
      • * How often do you change the water and how much? weekly 40-45% (to avoid too much stress from PH degas)
      • sorry, I cannot do more than once WC weekly right now
      • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Sunday, Feb21
      • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 6 fish, 3"-6"
      • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? prime
      • * What do you feed your fish and how often? twice, NLS pellet, soilent green gel, bloodworms
      • * Any new fish added to the tank? No but 2 months ago 3 fish died, one after another
      • * Any medications added to the tank? no
      • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. N/A
      • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? popeye on ranchu, cloudy water even with UV, too much calcium residue in bottom of tank
      • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? N/A

       

    • FYI.. I dont have carbon to polish the water in my filters.. I might try that or this below as well
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That is a HUGE jump in nitrate each week! How often are you servicing your canister? Your sump? Are you sure your sump isn't an nitrate factory from mulm? Biofilm and algae are awesome. Detritus and decay built up is not.

The other thing I want to know is your KH and GH - especially if you have calcium precipitating our I suspect high GH and not enough KH. How much does your PH change overnight from the tap?

What antibiotics do you have on hand right now to handle the pop eye?

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That is a HUGE jump in nitrate each week! How often are you servicing your canister? Your sump? Are you sure your sump isn't an nitrate factory from mulm? Biofilm and algae are awesome. Detritus and decay built up is not.

The other thing I want to know is your KH and GH - especially if you have calcium precipitating our I suspect high GH and not enough KH. How much does your PH change overnight from the tap?

What antibiotics do you have on hand right now to handle the pop eye?

I'd agree about the precipitation theory. Maybe the OP can test his Ph just before he turns the lights on, and just before he turns them off. That should give a reasonable level of the Ph swings that are happening daily and possibly why they are losing healthy fish. Definitely need to test for Kh.

Excuse or delete my post if I'm not supposed to be giving advice. 

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oh my.. you have just open my eyes to a lot of negligence..

 

That is a HUGE jump in nitrate each week! How often are you servicing your canister? Your sump?

I was looking at my notes and I service the canister every 3months but the sump I havent touch in a year.. yuck!  :thumbdown

Are you sure your sump isn't an nitrate factory from mulm? Biofilm and algae are awesome. Detritus and decay built up is not.

The other thing I want to know is your KH and GH - especially if you have calcium precipitating our I suspect high GH and not enough KH.

GH is 300 and KH is way up there as well..

I misplaced the tester but I remember I had to add over 15 drops for the water (KH) to change colors

Local water is super hard

 

How much does your PH change overnight from the tap?

PH change from 7.4 to 8.4 after degas (overnight/airstoned)

and stays 8.4 thereafter

What meds do you have on hand right now to handle the pop eye?

kanaplex, metroplex, bifuran, triplesufla, reg. salt, epsom, prazipro, aquaprazi (powder), kana flakes (food), colloidal silver 500

 

 

 

 

What is this at the bottom left of the sump??

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Calcium??

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Normal algae, I think..?

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Scrubber seems to be working

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Knowing my circumstances.. Is there any feedback you guys can give me regarding the popeye ?

It got bigger overnight so I think I should act soon

Thanks,

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Hope his eye feels better.

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I would go with the metro and triple sulfa.

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I would go with the metro and triple sulfa.

Sorry, in my timezone it is still morning and I was asleep. I'd recommend the same combo for a two week course, along with Epsom salt to discourage any continued fluid retention. 1 teaspoon per ten gallons :)

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I do see some detritus in the sump. Don't scrape off any biofilm but any chunky mulm or debris can be syphoned out, and your biological media can use a good shake and stir to remove any accumulated funk. Then just vacuum out that gross water everything was shaken into and call it good.

I do see the precipitated calcium but I'm going to have to look into the best way to handle water that isn't retaining its minerals. At present its not a huge concern but the ongoing water and ph issues are. I wish there was a way to do a drip system into your tank that was easily instituted, as a gradual drip and overflow would alleviate all the issues with the offgassing and differences between tank and tap.

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Thank you both..

How do you dose triple sufla??..

The package says to add a packet (per 10gal) every 24hr for 3 days then chance 25% water.. then repeat..

So am I understanding that 14 packets (2wks) will be accumulating in the 10G hospital with only 25%WC every 3 days ???..

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Does it with the metro and change 100% of the water every two or three days, using prime to maintain low enough ammonia in between. I usually try to span the shortest water change schedule of the medications I'm using and adapt the longer ones, redosing as needed. It's not one I'm overly worried about buildup in the water column causing issues - you're not going to cause problems by dosing that one longer than directed and changing the water more frequently.

Sorry, I always change my hospital tanks 100% and disregard any incremental water changes on the directions, unless it is for tetras or delicate species like loaches.

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Just wanted to say - that's a super pretty fishy. Hope he gets better soon!

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Gorgeous water puppy! Healing vibes to that beauty.

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Does it with the metro and change 100% of the water every two or three days, using prime to maintain low enough ammonia in between. I usually try to span the shortest water change schedule of the medications I'm using and adapt the longer ones, redosing as needed. It's not one I'm overly worried about buildup in the water column causing issues - you're not going to cause problems by dosing that one longer than directed and changing the water more frequently.

Sorry, I always change my hospital tanks 100% and disregard any incremental water changes on the directions, unless it is for tetras or delicate species like loaches.

Well.. this is what she looks like after a couple of weeks of (metro / triple sufla / epsom) treatment..

I personally don't see a difference (than before treatment) and the other eye looks similar (besides the coloration) too

 

What you guys think ???

 

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It looks worse to me, certainly not better. But the fish looks okay other than that. Hopefully a mod can come along and offer more help. I was told when I was trying to treat Slate with Metroplex that binding it to food and trying to feed it instead of dosing it waterborne might produce better results since the waterborne medication didn't help her at all. Neither helped in my case as my fish didn't actually have an infection, but its something to maybe try. :)

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Sorry to read there is no change. A mod or disease assistant will be by soon to help. What other meds do you have available?

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Sorry to read there is no change. A mod or disease assistant will be by soon to help. What other meds do you have available?

 

kanaplex, metroplex, bifuran, triplesufla, reg. salt, epsom, prazipro, aquaprazi (powder), kana flakes (food), colloidal silver 500, metro flakes (food)

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Remind me--were you doing waterborne meds, food, or a combination?

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Remind me--were you doing waterborne meds, food, or a combination?

Hospital tank is 10G so i did 2 scoops of Metroplex every other day along w a packet of triple sufla (every other day) and Epsom

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If there's not feedback from the mod team please let me know..

I posted a video of metro-triplesufla "after treatment" 3 days ago and no one has mention any alternatives

 

I think she's getting worse

 

She's isolating herself and showing some signs of dropsy..

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May I ask.. why didn't we do a kana treatment to begin with when it is known that popeye is one of the first signs of dropsy ????

(as per, kokos goldfish disease page)

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I'm sorry you're still having problems, I know how frustrating it is. She's a beautiful fish. I hope she gets better soon

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How long did you do the metro/triple sulfa combo?

 

Kanaplex is extremely hard on the kidneys.  The build up of fluid in popeye and/or dropsy is due to the kidneys not working properly/effectively.  If an organ is already struggling, I avoid any meds that are hard on them.

 

If the metro/triple sulfa isn't strong enough, I would go with metro and oxytetracycline . . . .

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