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hi everyone, basically earlier today I brought a small black moor at the pet shop all the other fish looked healthy but he had a few white spots on him.He has a few torn fins from the other fish nipping him,he was in a tank with a few other black moor and a Siamese fighting fish (I think) anyway the Siamese fighting fish kept sizing up to him and nipping him so I brought him.He has been in a quarantine tank for about 1-2 hours and has now only got one white spot,ive put salt in the tank with him and he seems perfectly fine he is pooping a lot though and seems to be a tiny bit stressed( but that's expected) all I really wanted to ask was Can I put white spot medication in his tank with the salt ?  thank you for any replies :hi  :P

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:hi a mod will move this into the disease and diagnosis area of the forum shortly :) for now, would you be able to please fill out this form for us?

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      • * Water temperature?
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

also, it would be great help to provide pictures so we can see exactly what these white spots are.

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The only white spot medication we recommend is pure salt (NaCl with no additives) at a concentration of 3 grams per litre of tank water. 

 

Please fill out the form Mikey provided and show us a picture of the moor so we can confirm your diagnosis.

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Hi, if you think that you moor is suffering from white spot - its quite obvious on black fish. If unsure, google images of 'white spot or ich' and compare to your fish. In my experience, the 'heat and salt' method works better than any medication designed to cure white spot I have used. If you have begun treatment and follow on with it, your fish should recover with no problems. 

 

Pooping for goldfish is a good thing (except for your water quality!). And new goldies can take a few days to settle in, so the stress will subside. The salt will also help with the stress. 

 

If you have the time to fill in the form above, more experience people (than I) will be able to give you more specific advice if you need it. 

 

Good luck! 

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I'm wondering where these spots were/are as it may or may not be ich as I have never had ich disappear in an hour or two.

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I'm wondering where these spots were/are as it may or may not be ich as I have never had ich disappear in an hour or two.

 

I'm not trying to be rude, but I know the disease specialists can't really help you without the water parameters and some pictures to show us what's going on. A lot of their diagnoses are based on looking at your water quality and pictures/videos of the fish and its behavior. So without this information we would just be guessing on what's going on without a good possibility of trying to root out the problem.

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I'm wondering where these spots were/are as it may or may not be ich as I have never had ich disappear in an hour or two.

 

I'm not trying to be rude, but I know the disease specialists can't really help you without the water parameters and some pictures to show us what's going on. A lot of their diagnoses are based on looking at your water quality and pictures/videos of the fish and its behavior. So without this information we would just be guessing on what's going on without a good possibility of trying to root out the problem.

First of all its not my fish ( if that's what you thought) and I'm not trying to diagnose anything I'm just curious but as you said without the information they can't help :)

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They put a black moor with a Betta fish? Yikes!

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Goldfishfanforever, Alexloo was clearly addressing the OP even though he quoted your post (probably by accident) so don't be offended.

 

Thank you to those who refrain from assisting until we have the necessary information.

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Goldfishfanforever, Alexloo was clearly addressing the OP even though he quoted your post (probably by accident) so don't be offended.

 

Thank you to those who refrain from assisting until we have the necessary information.

I didn't mean to sound offended if I did I'm sorry but its kinda hard to say stuff on the internet with any emotion(if that makes sense) :)

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Yep, Sharon hit the nail straight on the head. Sorry for the confusion, I just quoted by accident. I am just trying to give a bump to those people asking for help!

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hi everyone im sorry I haven't been back in touch ive just been very very busy but now ill try to answer the questions as best as I can sorry if I get anything wrong or messed up

  • * Ammonia Level(Tank) i don't know
  • * Nitrite Level(Tank)i don't know
  • * Nitrate level(Tank)i don't know
  • * Ammonia Level(Tap)i don't know
  • * Nitrite Level(Tap)i don't know
  • * Nitrate level(Tap)i don't know
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)i don't know
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)i don't know
  • Other Required Info:
    • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? I don't use a test kit or any of that.
    • * Water temperature? 13 degrees
    • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? im not sure on gallons but as I said its a 3ft by 2ft
    • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? I don't know the name or size but its a hob filter originally brought for my 4ft by 2ft tank so I know its strong enough.
    • * How often do you change the water and how much? I change around 50-60% a week
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Wednesday 90%
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? one fish and he is in a  3ft by 2ft tank
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? I don't add any of them because I let my water de-chlorinate naturally.
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? I feed him 4 times a day 2 pellets at a time because he is very small and very skinny.
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? There is no other fish in the tank except him until he goes into my other tank with my 5 other goldfish in a few weeks.
  • * Any medications added to the tank? no
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.-The only thing ive added is salt to help with stress and to help heal the wounds because I read some where that salt helps.I added the salt on Wednesday and haven't added any since
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?he has about 5-6 pure white spots on him but they disappear then come back in a different place.He has a piece of his tail missing due to being bullied by a betta and the other fish in the tank but the tail is growing back slowly,he is also has a few scales gone but im assuming that's from the bullying.
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?I don't know how he usually acts because ive had him since Wednesday but one thing he does do that is weird is he acts as though he is chocking also I don't know if its just his playing but he tries to eat the bubbles from my air stone and swims through them a lot.

im sorry that i couldn't answer them all i cant get a photo right now but ill try later on or tomorrow its really difficult because hes super fast and realy small so i cant get a clear picture and i really don't want to stress him he has just started to

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Tanks have three dimensions.  4' x 2' is missing one of them  Could you measure the third dimension so we can calculate the volume?  

 

We strongly advise getting a test kit to measure ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and pH.  I practically never test my water, although many people do so weekly.  The one time I always test is if I have a sick fish.  Something "off" with the water can cause many symptoms which you can easily correct if you know the problem.  If you medicate a fish that has a problem with the water, you make it sicker.

 

The "chocking" (choking?) behavior suggests the presence of flukes, which could also cause the white spots.  We recommend praziquantel to treat flukes.  Fluke Solve contains praziquantel as its active ingredient, and you may find it in your local fish store.

 

Before beginning praziquantel treatment, I'd like you to do some salt dips.  The dips will strip the slime coat from the fish, removing some parasites and exposing the rest to the medication.  Small fish have more sensitivity to salt than larger ones, so you should start with a 1% salt solution (10 g/l).  If the fish can handle 5 minutes at 1% salt, we can use 2% salt for the next dip.  

 

Please read the salt dip procedure carefully and ask any questions you might have.  After completing the dip, report on how the fish reacted so we can instruct you on when and how to do the next dip.

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Do you have a heater?  The prazi will work better if you raise the temperature of the tank to 20C since the flukes grow faster at a warmer temperature.  If you do raise the tank temperature, do so at only a few degrees a day to avoid shockiing the fish. 

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