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Pearscale under attack! :(

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My beautiful little pearlscale I got a couple weeks ago from dandy Orandas has had his scales eaten alive in just a few short hours. This morning when I got home from my overnight everything was normal. I woke up to feed them lunch - and my short tail telescope had him pinned against the tank wall... Horror story indeed. Half of his scales are missing.

He is looked a little dazed I was scared he looked a little floaty at first but he looks okay now .... Just battered ... I'm so sad... His scales were perfect before the attack. :(

I've separated him into another QT I had running with 2 other pearlys from another person. They have all had zero issues so far in qt so hopefully his new neighbors continue to stay healthy.

Is there anything I should do for him... Salt or anything like that? I also have melafix... No signs of infection yet because it just happened!! But I'd want to stay on top of it... Doing water change now - and probably daily for a while. Boo

I don't even have any good pictures of him before the attack. Poor little thing. :( :(

eee12faf0aa8fa210a2c7c5cb7ee92c8.jpg those are his scales on the bottom of the tank. :( I die!!!

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Please copy & paste fill the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems:
  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      • * Water temperature?
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?
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Oh no! :( What a sweet little darling fish. So cute though!!

If you have straight up salt (canning salt, or kosher salt with NO additives, etc), please have it ready to add to 0.1 - 0.3% .

What size QT tank is he in now? Feel like I missed that....

 

In the meantime, please fill out the D&D form, so the mods know of any water quality issues (high nitrates, low pH, etc). Also detail your QT methods from when the fish arrived.

 

Hope everything goes well! I had a fish that took a trip through the impeller and lost his tail and tore up his side... all it took was salt and clean water to get him put back together. :D

 

 

 

 

Edit: whhooooooppps I take forever to type things. Edited to remove the form. :teehee

Edited by jenzaar

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That's very unusual behavior outside of mating, I'm so sorry for the tank drama! The other ladies are on the right track - with a really specific D&D form, especially giving us the behavior leading up to today, we may be able to uncover what happened so you can prevent it in the future.

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I'm so sorry for your pearlscale! Healing vibes to him.

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OH NO!! Poor little fella!  Cant bear to see little pearlies hurt!  :no: Hope you get him all mended!  :wub:

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Poor little guy/girl!   sad-hug.gif

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[*]Test Results for the Following:

[*]* Ammonia Level(Tank)0

[*]* Nitrite Level(Tank)0

[*]* Nitrate level(Tank)less than 20ppm

[*]* Ammonia Level(Tap)0

[*]* Nitrite Level(Tap)0

[*]* Nitrate level(Tap)5

[*]* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines). 7.6

[*]* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 6

I haven't tested kh, gh in a couple months -my water is soft. I have well water - no chloramines. I age all my water with crushed coral and keep crushed coral in my filters - always check to make sure ph matches before water changes.

[*]Other Required Info:

  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? Api drops
  • * Water temperature? Room temp - has cooled recently was in the upper 70's now lower 70's upper 60's ish
  • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 40 gallon breeder - over 8 months
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? HOB - not sure which one ... It's as large as the tank is wide... Stuffed with ceramic media
  • * How often do you change the water and how much? Every 48 hours 80%

    [*]* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Yesterday 80%

    [*]* How many fish in the tank and their size? 4

    2 - 4inch telescopes including tail

    1 - 4.5 in telescope including tail (the attacker)

    1 - 3.5 inch pearlscale (the attacked)

    All from dandy orandas a month ago

    After the attack I scooped the pearlscale out and put him in another QT 40 gallon with his neighbors (2 pearlscales I got from someone else - they have been in QT for 3 weeks already - no health issues noted yet.)

    [*]* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime

    [*]* What do you feed your fish and how often? 3x a day repashy or duckweed, occasional frozen bloodworms... Still feeding very lightly at each feeding until they are out of QT

    [*]* Any new fish added to the tank?.. They are all new

    [*]* Any medications added to the tank? Melafix after the attack

    [*]* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. None! They have been absolutely wonderfully healthy - was planning to do 2 rounds of prazi before moving them into the main tank but have not started it yet

    [*]* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? None

    [*]* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, none.

Edited by lindseyfiish

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This has me baffled.

 

What was the telescope doing when he had the pearlscale pinned to the side of the tank?

 

Could you show a full tank picture?

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He was sort of underneath him just chomping away cannibal style... Looked like he had pushed the pearlscale all the way up to the water surface and he couldn't get away. There were scales all over the tank but mostly fallen in the corners... I mean jeezz is he that hungry!?

I'll take another photo when I get home - just finishing my overnight shift. :/

I can't wait to get home and check on the pearlscale I hope he is still his chipper self.

The telescope that committed the heinous crime is a short tail... He is deep bodied and obviously bigger than everyone else and just happened to not make it into the previous photo. The other 2 telescopes are smaller and slender I hope they don't fall prey to him as well.

I call him hammerhead .. He is black (slowly turning red) maybe the name was a curse - but he really does cruise around like a shark!

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I know they are crowded, all of them in a 40 gallon... I plan to move the telescope's into a 125 gallon that just finished a fishless cycle ... I was thinking 3 telescopes and 3 ranchu... But now I'm worried hammerhead is a psycho and he might eat my ranchu's head growth. :/

The 3 pearscales are going to move into a 55 gallon all their own

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If the big telescope likes to pull off the inedible scales of the pearlscale, wouldn't you expect to find him sampling the very available and edible eyes of his other tankmates? 

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Is there something in your tank that the pearlscale may have gotten stuck or wedged between that could have scraped the scales off?

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I saw him physically eating the pearlscale... I had to scoop pearly out of the tank to get him away from the telescope. I put him back in at the other end of the tank and hammerhead immediately chased him down again... So I scooped him up again and put him directly into the other QT tank. It took him about 10 minutes to get his wits about him.

Today the pearlscale looks fine. Eating well, swimming, pooping.

I really really hope jerk hammerhead doesn't eat the other fish!!!!

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I think hammerhead needs his own tank to prevent this in the future. A 20 or 29 gallon should do fine.

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I'm hoping when he gets into the 125gallon he will have more space to be a fish... And do fish things like sift substrate maybe he won't eat his tank mates... But he will never live with any pearlscales again that's for sure.... Maybe I'll have to keep that tank strictly telescopes or ryukin.

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Personally, I would not take that risk. It has been seen that once a goldfish has gotten a taste for his tankmates he is unlikely to stop the behavior. This has been seen often with eye-eating goldfish and wen-eating goldfish. However, it is ultimately your choice.

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Personally, I would not take that risk. It has been seen that once a goldfish has gotten a taste for his tankmates he is unlikely to stop the behavior. This has been seen often with eye-eating goldfish and wen-eating goldfish. However, it is ultimately your choice.

 

I had a goldfish years and years ago that would eat the eyes off of other fish. I had to rehome him as this was a big issue. Kinda like when a dog tastes a egg from a chicken... :twocents:

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I have had hyper agressive males who attacked smaller tank mates. I've seen it happen.

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I find this so strange.  I have had a few hundred goldfish.  (I rehome them as quickly as I can, but the babies just keep coming.)  I have never seen any sign of aggression.  Perhaps it has to do with ponds vs. aquariums.  Fish seem to feel more relaxed in a pond.  My inch-long babies can go in with the big fish who could easy swallow something three times their size, and are accepted as "family" immediately.  

 

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Well just an update! My little pearlscale did not have any ill effects from the attack :) and he is still freakin adorable! The telescope has since moved into my 125 gallon tank with 3 other telescopes and I haven't had any issues with him munching on his friends (yet)... If I see any signs of aggression then he can live in my 40 breeder QT tank alllll aaallllooonnneeeee! I'm hoping that they were just a little too crowded in quarantine and now with more room the bugger won't be so angry/hungry/cannibalistic!

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Hi Lindseyfiish,

I read this thread a while back and filed it away, being horrified looking at those pearly scales on the bottom of the tank!

How has your pearlscale healed? I've heard the pearlie scales don't grow back? I just found on of my pearlscales with a bunch of scales missing! I'm devastated! Must have gotten stuck between my filter intake and a plant I just out up against it to hide it. :( I put her in a 10g QT with 0.1% salt. So sad. :( :( :(

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Hope he feels better.

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Well just an update! My little pearlscale did not have any ill effects from the attack :) and he is still freakin adorable! The telescope has since moved into my 125 gallon tank with 3 other telescopes and I haven't had any issues with him munching on his friends (yet)... If I see any signs of aggression then he can live in my 40 breeder QT tank alllll aaallllooonnneeeee! I'm hoping that they were just a little too crowded in quarantine and now with more room the bugger won't be so angry/hungry/cannibalistic!

 

I hope everything is still working out. Is your little pearscale doing better?

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