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13 year old goldfish - red streaks and bloating

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Thank you dnalex, they are my babies and I want to do what is right for them.

The intention of my question was not to set one page or person against another but to make sure that before I put meds in the tank that we thought of all possible issues so that I dont end up hurting the fish.

 

To answer someone elses question, the other page thinks that the red streaks and belly was from ammonia issues that I had previously and that the fist is borderline septicemia. They think that the bloating is because of organ failure. I have been trying natural remedies but now the fish isnt eating so I am feeling like I have to try something a bit more substantial at this point.  

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I just tried to feed him again and he at 2 pieces of pea!! I am so happy. Now I am not sure if I should do meds or not.

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I don't know that you can borderline septicemic. It's like saying you're borderline pregnant. You either are or you aren't . . . .

But I agree with the others, you need to pick a course of action and stick with it.

A pea is not going to fix him IMO.

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I can understand that comment for sure!

The pea is just a good sign because he hasn't wanted to eat in 2-3 days and now he ate this morning. A good sign instead of a deteriorating situation.

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I suspect you think it unreasonable for us to demand you fill out the form (lots of people do), but there is a lot of information we need.  We know how to find this information on the form.   It is maddening to try to piece it together from information given in another form.  I took the liberty of filling out the form with the information you have given.  It will help everyone who is working on the problem.

 

Please copy & paste fill the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems:

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)0
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)0
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)0
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)0
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)0
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.0
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.8, KH 78
    •  
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      •  
      • * Water temperature?~74
      •  
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 75 gallons
      •  
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?2 (one canister Fluval 406, one hang on back aquaclear 75)

         

      • * How often do you change the water and how much?1 time per week/50%, more recently 20% daily.

         

  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?2 total, 13 year old common goldfish are the only 2 fish ever in this tank

     

  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?peas or soaked sinking pelets. Just started feeding gel repashy solient green to goldfish 2 (the not sick goldfish)

     

  • * Any new fish added to the tank? no
  •  
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  •  
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.Prime, Baking Powder to control KH, H202 for oxygenation

     

  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?Goldfish 1 is not eating and is not interested in eating. Belly still swollen and slightly red. No pineconing.

     

  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?not eating

 

 

What did you feed before you went to the peas?  How long has the fish been on peas only? 

 

Have you ever tried feeding your fish duckweed?

 

Have you tried to feed Repashy to fish 2?  

 

I will tell you I have a 5 year old fish that has been bloated more severely than yours for more than a year.  She has no other symptoms.  I have treated her for parasites, bacterial infections, fluid retention,  and isolated her with two young males loaded with breeding stars in case she was holding eggs.  Nothing made a bit of difference.  I suspect an internal tumor.  That doesn't appear to be the problem with your fish since the swelling is symmetrical. 

 

Do you normally have zero nitrates?

 

Are you willing to get a good test kit?  We recommend the API Freshwater Master Kit, which is very reasonable on Amazon.

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HI there,

Thank you for your help. To be honest I was in a bit of a panic when I posted and I wanted to get any information I could online fast. I thought I remembered most of the form and I didnt know where to find it so I did my best.

 

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I suspect you think it unreasonable for us to demand you fill out the form (lots of people do), but there is a lot of information we need.  We know how to find this information on the form.   It is maddening to try to piece it together from information given in another form.  I took the liberty of filling out the form with the information you have given.  It will help everyone who is working on the problem.

 

Please copy & paste fill the following form and fill it out to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems:

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)0
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)0
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)0
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)0
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)0
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.0
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.8, KH 78
    •  
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? Drops API
      •  
      • * Water temperature?~74
      •  
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 75 gallons
      •  
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?2 (one canister Fluval 406, one hang on back aquaclear 75)

         

      • * How often do you change the water and how much?1 time per week/50%, more recently 20% daily.

         

  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Today and 20%
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?2 total, 13 year old common goldfish are the only 2 fish ever in this tank

     

  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime, baking soda, H202
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?peas or soaked sinking pelets. Just started feeding gel repashy solient green to goldfish 2 (the not sick goldfish)

     

  • * Any new fish added to the tank? no
  •  
  • * Any medications added to the tank? NO
  •  
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.Prime, Baking Powder to control KH, H202 for oxygenation

     

  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?Goldfish 1 is not eating and is not interested in eating. Belly still swollen and slightly red. No pineconing.

     

  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?not eating

 

 

What did you feed before you went to the peas?  How long has the fish been on peas only? I fed sinking algae discs soaked in water. Peas only for about 3 weeks to a month I would guess. Been expanding to repashy and working on adding some other foods.

 

Have you ever tried feeding your fish duckweed? NO why?

 

Have you tried to feed Repashy to fish 2?  Fish 2 doesnt like Repashy but Fish 1 does.

 

I will tell you I have a 5 year old fish that has been bloated more severely than yours for more than a year.  She has no other symptoms.  I have treated her for parasites, bacterial infections, fluid retention,  and isolated her with two young males loaded with breeding stars in case she was holding eggs.  Nothing made a bit of difference.  I suspect an internal tumor.  That doesn't appear to be the problem with your fish since the swelling is symmetrical. 

 

Do you normally have zero nitrates? So far yes.. I have been testing more than before though so I cant be sure.

 

Are you willing to get a good test kit?  We recommend the API Freshwater Master Kit, which is very reasonable on Amazon. I use API drops for pH, KH, GH, Ammonia, NItrates and NItrites already.

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HI there,

Thank you for your help. To be honest I was in a bit of a panic when I posted and I wanted to get any information I could online fast. I thought I remembered most of the form and I didn't know where to find it so I did my best.

 

Quite understandable.

That's a long time with only peas.  They are quite nutritious, but are not a complete food.  We give them to help get the digestive tract moving.  Usually we only put the fish on peas only for a few days, although they can certainly eat them every day in addition to their staple food..  He may be a little malnourished by now.  

 

Have you ever tried feeding your fish duckweed? NO why?

 

Duckweed may provide the closest to complete nutrition for goldfish of any single food.  It works at least as well as peas in clearing the digestive tract.  Some fish keepers consider duckweed a "tonic" that helps a sick fish heal.  I don't know if that is true, but if a fish does feel well, I always offer some duckweed.  Almost all goldfish love it and produce copious green poops when fed it.  Since your fish haven't tried duckweed, however, they might not recognize it as edible.  

 

Have you tried to feed Repashy to fish 2?  Fish 2 doesnt like Repashy but Fish 1 does.

 

Repashy a good "staple"  food.  The high algae content and the softness makes it good for the digestive tract.  You might try mixing some mashed peas, or maybe some garlic into a bit of it for Fish 2.  

 

Do you normally have zero nitrates? So far yes.. I have been testing more than before though so I cant be sure.

 

Just curious.  Aquariums usually have some nitrate.

 

Are you willing to get a good test kit?  We recommend the API Freshwater Master Kit, which is very reasonable on Amazon. I use API drops for pH, KH, GH, Ammonia, NItrates and NItrites already.

 

Good! I did read a bit of that long thread and I thought you mentioned using strips there.  Sorry.

 

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Hi Shakaho,

Yes, I was using strips at one point but I am going to return them to the store. They DONT WORK. UGH. I think i have most of the drop tests now. I'm getting better at this.

I have not yet medicated because he looks a little better to me. Still have some red streaking in the fins but I think the belly and the fins have lightened up with the clean water and conditions. I am hoping to not have to use the meds but he is still bloated. I did see some small pieces of poop today and he is interested in food so I am happy about that.

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Good news.  :D
 

Have you been feeding him?  I'd try some red leaf lettuce.  Works like a charm if my fish are constipated.  :rofl  And I know Sharon looooves duckweed but I often have trouble finding that . . . .

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He has pooped so the bloating is not constipation. He ate a few small pieces of broccoli but then may have spit some out. He likes the peas and the algae pellets soaked in water... Im going to try a small piece of shrimp

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Good news.   :D

 

Have you been feeding him?  I'd try some red leaf lettuce.  Works like a charm if my fish are constipated.   :rofl  And I know Sharon looooves duckweed but I often have trouble finding that . . . .

You live up north, where duckweed grows wild on just about any body of still water.  I've heard there are places where it grows here, but I haven't found it.  Tricker has it quite reasonably priced,  and reading their catalog is fun.  

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He has pooped so the bloating is not constipation. He ate a few small pieces of broccoli but then may have spit some out. He likes the peas and the algae pellets soaked in water... Im going to try a small piece of shrimp

 

Just a small observation: broccoli can make fish gassy. At least it makes mine that way. 

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Based on my recent experience with baking soda, make sure to do a 100% water change periodically to remove any potential baking soda buildup. I do two 90% water changes back to back.

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HI all,

Still having trouble. This is a picture of my fish most recently.

Parameters have updated to:

KH 120ppm

PH 8+

GH about 360ppm

No salt in tank

Adding baking soda and epsom salt to buffer and keep values up.

2 pond pumps to circulate water as well as the canister filter I had along with the hang on back filter I had.

Any ideas on what this redness is? He hasn't swallowed food in 3 days but is interested in the food..

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Is that GH correct? It seems extremely, shockingly high. How many drops did it take to turn your test tube?

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yes, about 15 actually just now when I tested the water.

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15 drops for GH?  That would be more like 260 I believe . . .

 

What about ammonia and nitrite?  Have you had any issues with that recently?  Are you testing pH with the drop test or strips?  Does 8+ mean 8.2 or 8.8?  What is your tap pH?

 

Actually it would be extremely helpful if you'd fill the form out again as it's been a while .  . .  Up to date parameters and any treatments administered  . . . .  If/how the redness has changed?  Did it get better then come back?  Has it been there all the time?  :idont

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  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank) .25ppm
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)0
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)5ppm
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)0
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)0
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)0
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) over 7.6 which is the highest my test kit goes.
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.8, KH 78
    •  
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? Drops API, the strips are horrible.. maybe it says 8?
      •  
      • * Water temperature?~76-77F
      •  
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 75 gallons almost a year
      •  
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?2 (one canister Fluval 406, one hang on back aquaclear 75), I have added 2 pond pumps for circulation and aeration as well

         

      • * How often do you change the water and how much?20% daily for over a month.

         

  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Today and 20%
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?2 total, 13 year old common goldfish are the only 2 fish ever in this tank

     

  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime, baking soda, H202, epsom salt
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?peas or soaked sinking pelets. Just started feeding gel repashy solient green to goldfish 2 (the not sick goldfish) The sick goldfish eats but then spits it out.

     

  • * Any new fish added to the tank? no
  •  
  • * Any medications added to the tank? NO, only natural like dandelion treatment
  •  
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.Prime, Baking Powder to control KH, H202 for oxygenation and epsom salt for GH all for about a month or more since this started.

     

  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Belly very swollen and getting redder (almost veiny). No pineconing. Some streaking on Fins at times that comes and goes.

     

  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? eats but then spits out, sitting on bottom, gasping, some sideways swimming.

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If he was my fish, I'd start him on antibiotics.  The water quality has been good and he's not improving . . .   How much epsom salt do you have in there?

 

You can get a High pH test kit if you don't have one.  That one goes from 7.4 to 8.8.  :D

 

And thank you for filling out the form again.  

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Thank you. I have made some changes since we last spoke.

I have moved him into a hospital tank with one of the filters from the large tank. It's a much smaller 10 gallon.

No gravel.

I still have the pumps running in the large tank but I had to remove the sponge like media from the intakes because it was significantly interrupting the flow of water. The intakes both have a little screen over them.

I have gotten to 0 ppm ammonia as of last night in the large tank! But my nitrate also went to 0 or close to it. Nitrites were still 0. I used that water for the hospital tank.

I have some natural treatment in. Milk thistle tea. We will see if that helps at all.

We also started epsom salt baths at 1tsp per gallon for 20 min last night. Only did it once so far.

I did start adding maracyn two yesterday but not sure if he had a negative reaction or not. He was already flipping over a bit but after the maracyn two he has been permanently flipped. I also added some salt back into the tank.

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Oh there is still Epsom in the tank to raise the Gh. I add about two tbs per 15 gallons when I do the water change to get value back up to where I am.

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Just to finish out this topic...

My 13 year old baby died about a month ago. I tried anything I could think of but I wasnt able to save him unfortunately. I miss him everyday. :(

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I'm sorry you lose him :hug: He had a nice long life

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What a nice, long life! I'm sorry you had to say goodbye to such a long term fishy friend :(

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