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Why the strong emphasis on size with Koi?

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I was looking at a Koi web site and realized that my koi is considered small.
 

As someone who doesn't breed or raise koi, but is merely an admirer of them, can you tell me why bigger is considered better in the koi world? 

 

Cat and dog owners don't consider a bigger cat better than a smaller one, the same with dogs or birds.

Is it a cultural thing? Meaning, is the size of one's pet more important in Japan or China?

 

If I did breed koi, I'd try  to select for the most beautiful and interesting offspring, not the largest - size would be irrelevant.

 

Why isn't there a market for mini-koi, like toy Yorkshire terriers?  Tiny little anchovy sized koi?  Kawaii!

 

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Koi are often a fish grown in a landscape, Size matters.

Growing a fish to its maximum capacity is often the goal of many areas of fish keeping.

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Koi are often a fish grown in a landscape, Size matters.

Growing a fish to its maximum capacity is often the goal of many areas of fish keeping.

:bingo:

the bigger the Koi and the pattern of the fish can make them very valuable to Koi keepers... I used to love the butterfly Kois :)

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Anyone can grow a 1' koi. Pretty much anyone can grow a 2' koi with enough time. Most Koi will not reach 3'. Consider them limited edition. "Supply and demand"

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Koi are often a fish grown in a landscape, Size matters.

So in other words, if they're bigger, you can see them better, therefore bigger is more desirable.

 

Anyone can grow a 1' koi. Pretty much anyone can grow a 2' koi with enough time. Most Koi will not reach 3'. Consider them limited edition. "Supply and demand"

That makes sense to me at least. 

 

the bigger the Koi and the pattern of the fish can make them very valuable to Koi keepers.

Patterns are more visible on bigger koi.

 

Thanks everyone...keep 'em coming. 

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Simply cause bigger is worth more dollars.

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You can only get to bigger if you do thing right their whole life. Takes amazing dedication and logistics. Only the best get grown to these sizes.

This is one of my favorite koi videos. Imagine needing a crane to move your koi from their summer home, to the winter/breeding operation. They can work with individuals for decades.

Can't get it to work from my phone.

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Fixed YouTube link.

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Keep in mind, it isn't only bigger is better. People who show Koi look for very white whites, ink black blacks, perfect head to body to tail ratios, clean patterns. A big Koi with bad proportions, and dull colors woukdnt be worth much.

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You can only get to bigger if you do thing right their whole life. Takes amazing dedication and logistics.

This is one of my favorite koi videos. Imagine needing a crane to move your koi from their summer home, to the winter/breeding operation. They can work with individuals for decades.

Can't get it to work from my phone.

Here is the Youtube video id 51dC8JXSus4

Actually most koi reach their peak by about 5 years old. After that the color goes down hill. 

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Holy moly those koi are monstrous! I thought I'd seen some big koi in Indonesia and Hong Kong, but clearly not. :rofl

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Holy Mackerel! Actually Holy Koi! LOL I never knew they could even get that big! :yikes  

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Consider almost any kind of livestock, except those that are noted for being miniatures, like toy breeds of dogs.  In competitions if overall quality is equal, the bigger specimen wins.  Bigger is just more impressive.  

 

Even though most people here are not showing their fish, we have many threads in which people ask how they can make their pet fish get bigger faster.

 

As for miniature koi, the "bonzai koi" in this picture are a year old.  They aren't easy to produce either.

 

bonzaikoi.jpg

 

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rats i would love bonsia koi but  i seem to be good at  killing bonsia trees so i would be scared to get something with the name bonsai :rofl although in japan  and china bonsia refers to a stunted fish ,' The term has been given to "stunted" fish by breeders. Just like taking a standard tree or shrub, and maintaining it in a small pot and kept miniature. These fish are generally kept in overcrowded conditions. Even though they are fed pretty well, they just don't get the space/water needed for normal growth. There is one breeder who has some really high quality stuff that he kept stunted. There are many hobbyists in Japan that just don't have the space for a pond or just a small one, yet they wish to keep koi. The breeder's name is Takano. There are several others as well, but there names don't come to mind at the moment."

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It might just seem a preoccupation with size, but it really has to do with showing off maximum potential of the fish AND the abilities of the breeder and/or keeper offcourse. Koi keeping is much more competitive in Azia then in our western world and winning shows with fish you own or breed is a big part of the hobby. Note that in koi judging a large part depends on the quality of the fish, size seems to reflect this to some degree.

 

This actually is the exact same with the Fancy's we keep, the preoccupation with size also reflects on the shows for those in Azia. Not everywhere, but some categories also have a Jumbo competition. For example this video shows the jumbo svr Ranchu competing in aquarama show. These must be at least 8", seems daunting to try and raise such a big ranchu. I do however respect the skill and effort needed to reach this kind of results.

 

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Just on a bit of a tangent, but would those jumbo ranchu, or even the enormous koi, live the same lifespan as a fish that wasn't fed specialised foods for growth, or kept in a manner to ensure good size?

 

I wonder what the time frame is for growing a fry into one of those monsters...

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That koi video was amazing! :) it represents why koi shouldn't be in an aquarium :o

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Just on a bit of a tangent, but would those jumbo ranchu, or even the enormous koi, live the same lifespan as a fish that wasn't fed specialised foods for growth, or kept in a manner to ensure good size?

 

I wonder what the time frame is for growing a fry into one of those monsters...

 

Raising seed fish to breed is also a very specialistic task, these are kept and fed in a completely different way.

 

Yes, one may argue about the lifespan expectancy of those show fish, one could also imagine a fish put trough the stress of regular shows and how this would reflect on their health and lifespan. I do conclude out of extensive research that there is no limit to what will be done to ensure a good life for these fish, these keepers are very passionate about their fish. Even more so, sick fish will be dismissed from entering the competition so they must be in good health at all times!

 

Note the surveillance camera on one of the ranchu in the vid....

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The koi people (including those trying to grow fish over a meter long) are quick to confirm that giant koi will die younger than those of typical size.  

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