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I was gazing into my new fish's...eyes?

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Good morning Koko's,

I have been travelling to Toronto every couple of weeks for months. My son is part of a clinical trial for the development of a drug to treat Autism Spectrum Disorders (pretty mind blowing). Anyhow, we always stay with my cousin in Brampton. I have been popping into the Big Al's there and it's pretty impressive. They seem to bring in a lot more of the harder to find fish (adult black chus, adult pandas, very large calico chus, chocolate teles). I was in a few weeks ago and freaked out. Very (very) rarely do I ever see a fish I am instantly drawn to. There was a tank that had a bunch of panda telescopes. They were in rough shape. A couple were covered in Ich. I was bummed. Then I saw him. A gorgeous white fantail (I think lol). He was in the corner at the back of the tank.

I took a close look and he looked amazingly healthy. Beautiful fins, dorsal standing straight up, happy floating an inch off the bottom, no gasping. I immediately told a staff member about the Ich. She slapped the "sick fish" sign on the tank right away. I asked her how long the white guy had been in there. She said he just came in a couple hours before I did.

Being the nosey parker I am, I recommended that she get him out of that tank before he got sick too. She actually did AND did a salt dip before he went into the clean tank. My body left the store, but my heart did not:) Right before leaving for Ottawa, my amazingly awesome husband, without saying a word, pulled into the Big Al's and handed me a bucket (I keep one in my trunk, hey, you never know). I popped in to ask if she'd even sell him to me being from the sick tank. She checked him out for any signs of Ich and after seeing zippo, agreed.

We made the long trip back. Avoided potholes, turned corners in slow mo. Got him home and eventually into qt. He has been treated for flukes and shown zero sign of illness. Yesterday, he went into a 40 gallon with my little panda telescope who has been all alone in there. Named him Zombie. Zombie seems to be at least partially blind. Unless food smacks him in the face, he has no clue it's there. Quite a good tank mate for my tele. lol

I am trying to decide if he is a true albino. Totally white with red eyes. But the red eyes look black at certain angles. I leaned in close to look...and to my shock and amazement, I don't think Zombie has eyes. It looks like you are looking into his head...and possibly out the other eye at certain angles. It's like the clear orb protective part is there, but then it's just a flap of skin with a circle in the middle. I posted a video to Youtube. I, AGAIN, took a vertical video. Sorry about that. It does give you a decent look...into his soul. lol

So Guys, is he a true albino? Is he missing eyeballs?

I had to feed him to keep him in one spot. lol

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It looks like you're looking into a crystal ball or something. Whoa. I have no idea what the heck he is or if he has eyes or not, but he is beautiful. Have you tried putting your hand in front of him to see if he reacts?:)

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What a very pretty fish!!

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Zombie, what a clever name for him. I think you might have a true albino! How special he is and to have you to care for him.

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i don't think he's missing eyeballs, since sometimes when i use flash on my fish, they show red like that. granted, they are not white fish so i don't see a lot of red. my fantail Rocky will sometimes show redness in the eyes like that when a bright light is shining in her direction. did you use flash or the video light to photograph and film your new fish?

pretty find, btw :)

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Bucket in the trunk, I love it! I may have to use that idea.... Congratulations on your new fish!

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Beautiful fish! What I think you're seeing is his retina. Kind of like the reflective retina of a cat you can often see a strong reflection from the retinas of albinos. Or at least that's what my High School biology teacher told us many moons ago. :) He definitely has eyes, but may be blind based on his behaviour.

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It looks like you're looking into a crystal ball or something. Whoa. I have no idea what the heck he is or if he has eyes or not, but he is beautiful. Have you tried putting your hand in front of him to see if he reacts? :)

I just did a bunch of stuff...nada. He's in fantastic condition. Probably the nicest looking fish I've bought from a big box store. My daughter calls him "Crazy Eyes" now. lol. Poor thing.

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Zombie, what a clever name for him. I think you might have a true albino! How special he is and to have you to care for him.

I'm thinking so too:) I am so taken with him. He's munching on cucumber right now:) So happy he avoided the Ich.

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i don't think he's missing eyeballs, since sometimes when i use flash on my fish, they show red like that. granted, they are not white fish so i don't see a lot of red. my fantail Rocky will sometimes show redness in the eyes like that when a bright light is shining in her direction. did you use flash or the video light to photograph and film your new fish?

pretty find, btw :)

No flash at all. What you see on the video is exactly what it looks like when you look at him. It's really strange.

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Bucket in the trunk, I love it! I may have to use that idea.... Congratulations on your new fish!

I missed one opportunity that really bummed me out. Ever since, bucket in the trunk:)

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Beautiful fish! What I think you're seeing is his retina. Kind of like the reflective retina of a cat you can often see a strong reflection from the retinas of albinos. Or at least that's what my High School biology teacher told us many moons ago. :) He definitely has eyes, but may be blind based on his behaviour.

I was researching albinos and did see the info about the blindness issues. Pretty sure he can't see a thing. Explains why he was all alone in the corner of the tank at the store. It was like he got picked last in gym class. Lol. I shall continue the hunt for eyeballs. Thanks for the info!

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If you look at the second photo, the two black dots look like they are in his head. Like stuck to the opposite side of his skull. You can see it when you get just the right angle where the reflection disappears.

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I am sure he has eyes because you can see him move them in different directions in the video. But I have read a few stories of different fish that are albinos that were blind, partially blind or mostly with poor vision in Albino Cory Catfish, Angel Fish and Oscars. I know Albino Mice and Birds can have poor eyesight as well.

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Oh my! What a cutie! I think he is a very young oranda :teehee I see a very faint wen forming.

I have never seen this before, this is very interesting! I will sure to be following the thread :)

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Beautiful fish! What I think you're seeing is his retina. Kind of like the reflective retina of a cat you can often see a strong reflection from the retinas of albinos. Or at least that's what my High School biology teacher told us many moons ago. :) He definitely has eyes, but may be blind based on his behaviour.

That's exactly what it is. There is a pigmented layer to the retina. (The human retina has 10 layers. Not so sure how many layers a fish retina has but the eye of a fish does have a pigmented layer . . . ) The pigment helps to absorb light entering the eye.

In albinos, there is little to no pigment. Therefore, the large majority of the light isn't absorbed but rather is reflected. That is what you're seeing.

The fish definitely has eyes just not much if any pigment. :D

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He does not look like the true albino fish I've seen but he could very well be leucistic to some extent.

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That is definitely an albino fish. I second the retina explanation, and also second your initial skepticism. The first 5 seconds of that video I was just blinking haha. Beautiful selection, you have a great eye!...and there's the pun. :)

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Beautiful fish!

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Great looking fish.

Big Al's gets some nice fish at times.

If you are in the area, try the one located in Scarborough (Kennedy south of Lawrence).

Congratulations.

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He is very cute! I love white fish.

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Beautiful fish! What I think you're seeing is his retina. Kind of like the reflective retina of a cat you can often see a strong reflection from the retinas of albinos. Or at least that's what my High School biology teacher told us many moons ago. :) He definitely has eyes, but may be blind based on his behaviour.

You're seeing the tapetal reflection (some people refer to it as the tapetal reflex, but it is not a reflex at all).

The tapetum lies just behind the retina, it's a layer of refractive crystals that reflect light towards the retina, improving the animals night vision.

Many vertebrates, but not all, have tapeta. Dogs and cats have a green tapetal reflection, you will probably all have seen this when you have taken a photo of your pets, as BronwynH described.

Horses and ruminants tend to have a blueish tapetal reflection, and red in rodents and birds. Fish tend to have a white reflection apparently. But all albino animals that have a tapetum will have a red tapetal reflection, this is because the tapetum lacks pigment and so will just reflect the colour of the blood vessels at the back of the eye, hence the red reflection.

Just for interest, diurnal animals, including us humans, don't have tapeta as we don't need good night vision. The red eye phenomena you see in photographs of such animals, especially those with blue eyes, is something completely different, not a tapetal reflection.

*Takes vet hat off*…. :teehee

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Beautiful fish! What I think you're seeing is his retina. Kind of like the reflective retina of a cat you can often see a strong reflection from the retinas of albinos. Or at least that's what my High School biology teacher told us many moons ago. :) He definitely has eyes, but may be blind based on his behaviour.

You're seeing the tapetal reflection (some people refer to it as the tapetal reflex, but it is not a reflex at all).

The tapetum lies just behind the retina, it's a layer of refractive crystals that reflect light towards the retina, improving the animals night vision.

Many vertebrates, but not all, have tapeta. Dogs and cats have a green tapetal reflection, you will probably all have seen this when you have taken a photo of your pets, as BronwynH described.

Horses and ruminants tend to have a blueish tapetal reflection, and red in rodents and birds. Fish tend to have a white reflection apparently. But all albino animals that have a tapetum will have a red tapetal reflection, this is because the tapetum lacks pigment and so will just reflect the colour of the blood vessels at the back of the eye, hence the red reflection.

Just for interest, diurnal animals, including us humans, don't have tapeta as we don't need good night vision. The red eye phenomena you see in photographs of such animals, especially those with blue eyes, is something completely different, not a tapetal reflection.

*Takes vet hat off*…. :teehee

Thank you! That was very informative ;) . I love science factoids!

Btw, what does cause human red eye?

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It's just the reflection of light off the retina. The bigger the pupils, the more reflected light you'll see. And as already mentioned, the less pigment you have in your retinal pigmented layer (think fair skinned, blonde hair, blue eyes) the more likely you are to have red eyes in photos vs someone with lots of pigment in their RPE layer (think dark skinned, dark hair, brown eyes). :)

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