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Finally found some eggs before my pond crew ate them :)

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Update on goldfish fry:

So here are some pics of the fry at 8 days old:

In this photo you can see one looking face on in the left top area and then the side view of one on the bottom:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0523_zpsaf79f910.jpg

Here are two fry looking at each other:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0486_zps8d9eff1d.jpg

Googly eye Fry at the top middle:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0393_zps5d8e59da.jpg

Other fry photos:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0553_zpseb8c3ee3.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0485_zpsfc32ab6e.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0476_zpsc8a2e8ab.jpg

I've moved the babies outside in a partially filled 300 gallon pond. I saw a few of them...but they are very hard to see in that large container with black sides/bottom. I hope they get big enough to see easily soon.

All 46 of them went into the pond...I didn't realize I had that many.

I'm going to feed them once a day in the same spot with baby brine shrimp...hopefully if they are hungry they will find them.

There is one potted plant in the pond and some water hyacinth and duck weed. It is mostly in the shade. When I moved them over I made sure that the temperature and pH matched.

Here is a photo of their new home...it's not pretty, but I hope it will be a good place for them:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0460_zpsadcb7f64.jpg

Here are the possible parents (9 fish total)...the shubunkin (Oreo) on the far right I strongly believe is the father since he is the only one who chases other than at food time.

The most likely moms are the brown comet (smokey), or the mainly black shubunkin (Smudge) on far left. They were being chased most often and looked chunky. The other two possibilities (chased a little) are Elmo (the red common) or Sparky (the larger blue shubunkin with the red coloring on her head). I guess if I have some commons then I know that Elmo is the mom...but if I get shubunkins it could be anyone else :).

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0333_zps06413a55.jpg.

Thanks for looking.

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Nice looking babies, and that tank looks like a baby fish paradise. The duckweed will multiply for maybe two months, then start to decrease in number. That means the babies have a grown-up appetite and your keepers are ready to join the big fish. Keep the duckweed pond to grow treats.

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Nice looking babies, and that tank looks like a baby fish paradise. The duckweed will multiply for maybe two months, then start to decrease in number. That means the babies have a grown-up appetite and your keepers are ready to join the big fish. Keep the duckweed pond to grow treats.

Thanks Sharon :).

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So I completely forgot my problems with low kH water and my pH falling. The 700 gallon tank remains at 8.0-8.3 due to oyster shells. When I was using water for the inside tank with the babies, I was using water from the pond, and it was staying at around 7.6. When I placed the babies outside, I used water that is around 7.4 to 7.6 and now it has dropped to 6.8. I hope I'm not too late to fix this and I'm not sure the best way. Adding baking soda or buff it up may not help since I have no water movement in the 120 - 150 gallons of water...also a bag of oyster shell may not work for the same reasoning. Do you think I've killed the babies by this pH drop or is it possible they survived? What is the best way to fix it for now and the future?

Their water temperature has also dropped to 62 degrees. It was 68 when I first put them in...it is 66 in the 700 gallon tank.

Right now I can't use my big pond water either, since that tank has ammonia of 0.25 to 0.50. I'm feeding them the same, there is no nitrites or nitrates. Maybe this is the cycle bump of the new tank, or eggs in the water, but I can't use this water to help out the babies since even though the pH is better, the ammonia is not. I'm doing a large water change on the big pond today (with Prime) and then maybe I can transfer some of the pond water over to the babies.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Kayla

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While changing out some of the water in the babies pond (I was doing it by the large bowlful), I found a black fry. It was wiggling around and looking great so I guess they are okay :).

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You don't need water movement for buffers to work. Diffusion happens. To change water just remove the old water and then drip the buffered replacement into the tank. You can rig up a drip container or just siphon the water in through 1/4" tubing. As you have observed, your fry will be fine.

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I was looking at my baby pond and saw two little clear fry...yay! They seem happy as clams in there. I did also see a largish water beetle that is about the size of 2 peas together...are fry prey for anything in the pond? I also see some bug like things that scoot along the bottom of the pond, they don't move into the upper layers of water so I don't think they swim. The water beetle was definitely swimming where fry would be.

Sharon - I forgot about that drip container...that first "redneck" one looks very easy...I'll set out to find a 30 gallon bucket.

Could I put 2 30 gallon filters on the 700 gallon tank eventually with 2 pumps or is it better to get a 55 gallon bucket filter and one larger pump?

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I just found a giant tadpole in the baby's pond. I took it out temporarily. Will it eat my babies or can it go back in the baby pond?

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It might eat them if it is big enough. One tadpole means more, so keep an eye on things and remove the ones you see.

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It might eat them if it is big enough. One tadpole means more, so keep an eye on things and remove the ones you see.

I moved it to the dog's pond. Hopefully it will finish growing there. I haven't seen anymore since...but I've seen a few fry :).

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My fry tank is going down to 60 during the day now. I'm just worried they won't eat and grow without the water temperature being warmer. We went from a heat wave to cold here in WA. If I put my titanium heater in the tank are the little fry going to swim into the large holes in the pvc pipe and get burned on the heater? Would I be better to just set the heater in the bottom without the PVC pipe? I was thinking of just setting it to 68 degrees so that it would shut off when the water temperature got up to that.

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Leave them alone. They will eat and they will grow. I've had fry in the winter and they grow just fine. I wouldn't trust a heater with fry.

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Thanks for the reassurance Sharon :) ... sounds good. I figured if they were in the big pond with lots of water, the temp was only 62 anyway this morning, so it wasn't very different from where they were.

I've just been reading some stories that say goldfish fry shouldn't be below 70 degrees and got a bit nervous.

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Stop reading that stuff! :D It makes you worry. :blink:

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Congratulations on your fry. They are adorable.

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Congratulations on your fry. They are adorable.

Thank you :)

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Okay...not only can I not read any more about how to raise fry...I also am not allowed to take any more pictures of the fry in the pond.

I took 6 pictures today. One of the fry looks like it has a crooked tail end, one has a badly arched back, and one looks like it has some sort of parasite attached to it (if you look in high magnification). Since I can't do anything about the crooked tail and arched back (they are swimming fine), I'm going to concentrate on what is stuck on one of my fry.

Here is a photo. It is hard to see unless you enlarge it. It has a yellow 'head' and a long white filamentous 'tail'. Can you see it? I was thinking anchor worm, but it doesn't really look like it.

Anyone have an idea? You can see it on the right side of the fry, halfway down it's back.

Thanks.

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0596_zps0621ad22.jpg

Edited by Kayla102968

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I think if you want identify what is on the fry, you will have to catch it and put it into a small container, so you can get a close up. It could just be a bit of debris.

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It has been cold here for the fry outside. This morning the fry tank was at 57 degrees. The babies seems fine though although they haven't grown much. For 2 weeks old they still look as small as they did when they were inside :). I guess that is the benefit (at least for breeders) of warmer temperatures for fry...they will eat more and grow quicker so that they can be sold.

I decided to bring 2 little ones inside in the 20 gallon (1/2 full) just in case something unexpected happens to the ones in the pond. Plus I missed seeing them inside.

I was feeding the fry outside instant brine shrimp eggs and then my puppy somehow got them and ate the whole container a few days ago. I decided the ones inside I would try with hikari frozen baby brine shrimp and/or hikari first bites. Today when I put the baby brine shrimp in the tank, the fry kept taking them and spitting them out. I don't know if they are too big (he can get them in his mouth) or if he doesn't like them. I also don't know how to tell if they have anything in their tummies when it isn't something bright like brine shrimp eggs. Here's a video of him trying to eat them. Do you think it's a size thing and I should cut them up more or use powdered food still at 2 weeks old? Thanks for watching.

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The last 2 times I had fry I fed them BBS from the time they hatched. Are those frozen BBS? Maybe they are bigger than newly hatched live ones. They seem to be fitting in his mouth though. Maybe see if he will swallow the powdered food.

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It is frozen BBS...and does seem a bit bigger than the instant ones I was using before the dog ate them. The fry is eating something since his belly is full.

I also have a slightly smaller fry in there and he just eats off the roots of the plants, I hardly ever see him. He doesn't seem at all interested in the thawed (frozen) bbs or the hikari first bites. The thing I don't like about the 1st bites is that I put the tiniest bit in...just on the edge of the tip of my finger...and it makes a big, floaty, oily area of tiny particles...really hard to get out of there. I've resorted to making some live BBS and see if that is easier to feed and if they like it.

The fry in the pond seem to be doing well. It should be warming up for them now...we have at least a week of 80+ degree weather coming up.

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I use one of those wooden kabob skewers and get the very tip wet the dip it in the first bites bag then put the stick with food under the surface of the water so that more of it sinks, but it is messy.

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My babies are 3.5 weeks old and are looking good...although still see-through. I have pictures of the two in the tank inside, the ones outside are blacker and hard to see in the black pond. I'm feeding frozen bbs and first bites and they also have plants from the pond. The smaller baby prefers to eat the algae off the plants (always has), while the slightly bigger baby prefers the bbs. The larger one has button eyes and the smaller one does not. Anyone want to guess what color they will be?... Here are some pics:

Smaller baby:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0885_zps3eeaeb75.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0899_zps9de9e40d.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0891_zps2abbc0b0.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0883_zps726ea7ab.jpg

Bigger baby:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0848_zps5f3eec40.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0875_zps3fae15ac.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0894_zpsfa381728.jpg

2 babies together:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/Kayla102968/IMG_0902_zps01e455b3.jpg

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It's REALLY difficult to say what color they will be, at this point. They haven't even gotten their fry colors, yet. The button eyes points toward that that little cutie is a shubie, though! As for the other cutie... could be white- could be gold- could be sarassa- could be another shubie. Time will tell! ;)

They sure are super adorable, though!

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The bigger baby is nacreous and should be coloring soon. It also looks a little overfed. The smaller baby may also be nacreous too. The view that shows the top hints at some spots forming which would indicate a shubunkin. If both parents are shubunkins or one is wild colored, you will get fully colored shubunkins. If the metallic parent is yellow or red, you will get sakuras, which may have blue and black when they are little, but will lose it.

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