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Ranchu with pinkish spot/ucler on gill cover

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Received my ranchu from dandy orandas with a pinkish spot to left gill cover. A week later, it grew larger with an indented ulcer. Also noticed a new pinkish spot to the left gill cover below the eye. Please help.

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Please fill this for out as completely as possible. Thank you. :)

Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level(Tank)

* Nitrite Level(Tank)

* Nitrate level(Tank)

* Ammonia Level(Tap)

* Nitrite Level(Tap)

* Nitrate level(Tap)

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?

* Water temperature?

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?

* How often do you change the water and how much?

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?

* How many fish in the tank and their size?

* What kind of water additives or conditioners?

* What do you feed your fish and how often?

* Any new fish added to the tank?

* Any medications added to the tank?

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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hello Andy,

aside from filling out the questions Lisa has posted above my post, i strongly recommend that you contact the vendor to advise the health issues you noticed when receiving your fish. this will help you should you need to engage in any return/replacement policies they offer..

ulcers waste no time in delivering fatal results. so by wasting no time in contacting the vendor & providing all the answers to the questions above as soon as you can, is favourable. it's a little too raw looking to me for an ulcer, but you can never be too sure :)

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I actually differ in opinion here. It does look very much like the typical wen ulcer, and should be treated.

Helen is right in that you might want to give Ken a ring to see what he recommends. We have no problems making suggestions here, but I think it would be good always to work with the vendors first. :)

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Actually, I have been in touch with ken regarding the calico butterfly swimming sideway and upside down at times. Today, I spoke with ken about the ulcer and update on the butterfly.

* Ammonia Level(Tank) 0
* Nitrite Level(Tank) 0
* Nitrate level(Tank) 5 - 10 ppm
* Ammonia Level(Tap) 0
* Nitrite Level(Tap) 0
* Nitrate level(Tap) 0
* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.4 - 7.8
* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.4
Other Required Info:
* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? api, drops
* Water temperature? about 72 degree
* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 30g since 8/22/13. upgrading to 75g tank soon
* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? aquaclear 70
* How often do you change the water and how much? every 6 - 7 day about 80%
* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 1 day ago 80%
* How many fish in the tank and their size? 4, about 2.5" to 5"
* What kind of water additives or conditioners? seachem prime
* What do you feed your fish and how often? twice a day, rephasy soilent green mixed with super green and saki hikari fancy purple
* Any new fish added to the tank? yes, black/gold ranchu and calico butterfly one week ago
* Any medications added to the tank? no
* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. Orange ranchu and ryukin had 5 weeks of salt + prazi separately
* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? orange ranchu has white spot to caudal fin since beginning
* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? yes more so calico butterfly but she is eating

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Andy, before we advise anything for treatment, can you let us know if there were any recommendations by Ken, and what they are?

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Yes, hydrogen peroxide on q tip on wound once or twice per day next day or two and monitor. If that does not work try Neosporin ointment/cream by dabbing it on paper towel then into wound.

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ok, thank you.. please hold off on any treatments for the time being. we will respond shortly. :)

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Did not have time to purchase hydrogen peroxide. So I am just monitoring the wound and the butterfly swimming.

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ok, we would like you to engage in the vendor's recommendation.. keep a close watch over the next 2 days. if there is no improvement let us know and we will make our recommendations.

if you can, please find and purchase Kanaplex to have on hand in case it is needed. it is a good medicine to have in your fish cabinet just the same.

good luck & please keep us updated :)

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Andy has Kanaplex already, Helen. :)

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Andy has Kanaplex already, Helen. :)

YAY :D

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Yes, i purchased last time when tithra recommended it. Thanks guy. I will do the hydrogen peroxide tomorrow. Good night.

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good night :)

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Cleaned wound with q tip dipped in hydrogen peroxide. Some pinkish tissue came off. The wound is not as bright pink now. However, the surrounding and underneath is light pink.

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Did Ken advise you to swab daily?

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I recalled he said a day or two. Swapped the area again today and more pinkish tissue came off.

Afterward, I did an 80% water change.

Yesterday after hydrogen peroxide swapped

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Today

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I think it's looking OK. Let's see what it looks like tomorrow.

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Wound still pinkish and larger today. I have kanaplex and api melafix on hand. Ready to try either. Dnalex which would u recommend? Should I also use salt?

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Go ahead with the Kanaplex. I would like for you to change the water at least every other day (100%, QT) or more, depending on water parameters.

Follow directions from manufacturers for dosing only. Every time you do the WC, replace the Kanaplex. We don't want the fish to be exposed to Kanaplex for more than 14 days, although preferably 10.

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Will kanaplex kill beneficial bacteria in my Qt aquaclear 50 filter? Directions say use 180 mg for every 5 gallons. Repeat every 2 days up to a maximum of 3 doses. Ignore and uses 180mg daily with every water change?

Should I also treat the butterfly telescope having buoyancy issue over a week. I already tried fasting for one day, cutting feeding once a day, and cook deshalled peas several times.

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Both excellent questions. :)

Will kanaplex kill beneficial bacteria in my Qt aquaclear 50 filter? Directions say use 180 mg for every 5 gallons. Repeat every 2 days up to a maximum of 3 doses. Ignore and uses 180mg daily with every water change?

The kanaplex more likely than not will destroy your QT's cycle, although in some rare (and scary) instances it did not. Yes, replace the meds every time you do the WC, and because we don't want to deal with partial or overdoses, it's best to do 100% WC each time. :)


Should I also treat the butterfly telescope having buoyancy issue over a week. I already tried fasting for one day, cutting feeding once a day, and cook deshalled peas several times.

You can try. The medication that is more often recommended is one that is metronidazole based. I have also suggested metro+kana in attempts to rescue fast-resistant floaty fish, but I have not tried kana by itself.

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What brand and where can I get metro? And no salt with kana?

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What brand and where can I get metro? And no salt with kana?

No salt. :)

Seachem makes powdered metronidazole, and while the large chain stores will not carry them, the local stores might.

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