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Test Results for the Following:
* Ammonia Level(Tank)- .5-1.0 (down from 2.0)
* Nitrite Level(Tank)- 0
* Nitrate level(Tank)- 5.0
* Ammonia Level(Tap)- 0
* Nitrite Level(Tap)- 0
* Nitrate level(Tap)- 0
* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)- 6.6 (up from 6.4)
* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)- 7.0
Other Required Info:
* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?- API Freshwater Test Kit (drops)
* Water temperature?- room temp is about 74 degrees
* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?- 25 gallons, 2 + yrs.
* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?- Aqueon 50
* How often do you change the water and how much?- 2x a week about 25% each time
* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?- Today and yesterday 25% each time
* How many fish in the tank and their size?- one comet about 7.5" with tail
* What kind of water additives or conditioners?- Just changed to Prime from API Stress coat, api stress zyme (trying to regrow his tail) and API Tap conditioner. also API proper pH 7.0.
* What do you feed your fish and how often?- 2x a day peas with Tetra fin crisps.
* Any new fish added to the tank?- no
* Any medications added to the tank?- no
* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.- one teaspoon aquarium salt at each water change
* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?- tail is healing after I stupidly missed the filter being off one time and another of going away and "helper" feeding a bit too much.
* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?- right now, not eating/pooping, hanging out at bottom
Hi, I am really new here. My surrogate fish son/grandson is about 7-8" long and somewhere between 4 and 5 yrs old. My son traded two small goldfish that he won for him at a fair. He was somewhere between 2-3" when we got him and we don't know how old he was. My son named him Comet, and a couple of years later when I was searching for information I realized how funny that was. My son swears he did not know or hear the term comet when he got him. lol
So the poor thing has been through a lot in his short life. He made it through two big black outs that lasted a week each, through winter, my son changing the water when he remembered and reading him when he was home. His grandmother being stupid one time and forgetting to plug the filter back in for two days (I hang my head in shame, horrified at what I did), definitely overfeeding and over-cleaning his tank.
So now, I haven't seen any poop in a few days, and am trying to fast him. He loves peas and wasn't eating and wouldn't eat the crisps, forget about flakes. He used to love freeze dried baby shrimp and would chase them around the tank. I found tubiflex worms, freeze dried and he loved them. Fed them to him about 2 or 3 times in a week. I realized after the week he wasn't eating the peas and "found' them behind the bubbler. Most likely the reason for the high ammonia. :(
He swims around and is balanced and I don't see anything on him and his eyes are clear. He is swollen and listless and is in his "rest" position most of the day.
I went to a new pet store where they deal mostly with fish. The man was really nce and helpful. I changed out all the API products for Seachem Prime, Seachem alkaline buffer and Seachem equilibrium. He also suggested one tsp to every 10 gallons of epsom salt to help with constipation. I put two tsps in as I have the water level below the cover.
I have two videos. Not the best quality and excuse the sides of the tank. I had to sneak the side view so you could see what he does at rest because he was miffed that I sat in front of him and videotaped him looking his worst.

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:hi again :D

Thanks for filling out the form.

Will you please try and get a pic of him from above? If you can put him in a separate container that might help if you can't get him to stay still enough. Or maybe hold him and have someone else take the pic . . .

Are you certain he's a "he"?

Has your tank pH always been so low? Do you know your KH and/or GH? (If you don't, many cities have online water quality reports with this info. :D

Sorry for all the questions but the answers will help us form a treatment plan. :D

Also just FYI freeze dried foods are not the best thing to feed as they are full of air. Frozen is better.

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I am not much help, but thank for filling out the info thoroughly.

My goldies love frozen brine shrimp (spirulina enhanced) and frozen bloodworms. They come in little ice cube shapes vacuum sealed for small amounts. Take a small cup of tank water, drop in the frozen cube and let it thaw out. I am not recommending this as treatment, just another food option when (s)he is feeling better or advised by the mods.

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:hi again :D

Thanks for filling out the form.

Will you please try and get a pic of him from above? If you can put him in a separate container that might help if you can't get him to stay still enough. Or maybe hold him and have someone else take the pic . . .

Are you certain he's a "he"?

Has your tank pH always been so low? Do you know your KH and/or GH? (If you don't, many cities have online water quality reports with this info. :D

Sorry for all the questions but the answers will help us form a treatment plan. :D

Also just FYI freeze dried foods are not the best thing to feed as they are full of air. Frozen is better.

Hi again :)

I took two pictures from outside the tank. I am not comfortable handling him right now even if I had a big enough container which I don't think I do. Nobody to help with the picture taking, hubby can't stand long and is a transplant patient so I don't really want him near the tank. When I opened the lid he swam into the bubbler. After the picture session and I sat down he swam over to me to "yell" at me and then went back to his side.

Yes, I was 99% sure he is a she, but being outnumbered 3 to 1. No matter how many times I say she, Comet's referred to as a he.

I haven't always checked the pH unfortunately. Since I have figured it out I have used the API Proper pH 7.0. t either didn't help or I didn't use it right.

I pulled up the water quality report for my area but I really can't find KH and/or GH or chloramines on it. It might be listed differently, I really don't know.

No, I appreciate all the help, ask whatever questions will help.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad53/Ami514/comet/co1.jpg

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad53/Ami514/comet/3fdd2617-5dbf-4232-b290-08c5ea1aa07f.jpg

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If you look at him from above (looking down into the tank from the top of the tank), do his scales stick out like a pinecone? :idont

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If you look at him from above (looking down into the tank from the top of the tank), do his scales stick out like a pinecone? :idont

Yes and no. Only a little bit towards the back on his right side.

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Would you do me a favor and turn off all the filters and bubblers etc so that the water is still. Then, take a video looking directly down at the fish. Thank you :)

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So Comet is still the same. I tried to feed her/him a pea and he ignored it. I did another 25% water change, added a little more epsom salt, got the pH up to 6.8 and the ammonia is down to just about .25. I tried to vacuum over by the bubbler where he loves to hang out and he was having none of it. Went right into the middle of it and when I tried to gently touch him to direct him away, he started swimming up the side of the tank at me. I moved away immediately, didn't want to get beat up, I'm a big weenie. ;)

Still hasn't pooped, still the same shape, seems to be a little less listless. Still not sure what it is, really hoping it's constipation and that he will void soon.

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Have you been adding aquarium salt also or just Epsom salt?

When you do WCs, the Stress zyme isn't really needed. The tail will heal with clean water.

Can you please look from above again and see if his scales look to be sticking out like a pinecone any more?

How long has it been since you've seen him eat?

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Have you been adding aquarium salt also or just Epsom salt?

When you do WCs, the Stress zyme isn't really needed. The tail will heal with clean water.

Can you please look from above again and see if his scales look to be sticking out like a pinecone any more?

How long has it been since you've seen him eat?

Just the epsom salt. I wanted to change the water and hadn't gotten any info on what I was doing, so since the lps said to use the epsom salt for constipation I just stuck with that. I had always been adding aquarium salt, just stopped on the last two changes.

I stopped using the API products as I stated above. I switched out all the API products for Seachem Prime, Seachem alkaline buffer and Seachem equilibrium. The only other thing I added was the Epsom salt.

The scales are still sticking out but I think it's a bit less...but it wasn't that much, it's just slightly sticking out. It's very hard to see especially when he dodges into the bubbler.

I gave him some frozen bloodworms on Sunday, I believe he ate a bit of that. I tried frozen daphnia yesterday, but I really don't know if he ate any, they are so tiny. Before that, I think Friday. I know he hadn't been eating the peas, but had eaten the tubiflex worms cube that I sqooshed to the side of the tank during the week.

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Is there anyway you can get the following two products for me:

- metronidazole (powder)

- kanaplex (powder)

These are both made by Seachem, and certainly available online, such as through one of our sponsors, tastyworms.com.

They may be available at your local stores, although that is less likely if you are in a smaller city.

From the shape, and the refusal to eat, I think he has an internal infection, and the suggested meds hopefully will take care of that.

Let me know once you have these products, and we can commence.

In the mean time, please continue with Epsom. You could even increase the dose to 1/2 teaspoons per 10 gallons.

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Is there anyway you can get the following two products for me:

- metronidazole (powder)

- kanaplex (powder)

These are both made by Seachem, and certainly available online, such as through one of our sponsors, tastyworms.com.

They may be available at your local stores, although that is less likely if you are in a smaller city.

From the shape, and the refusal to eat, I think he has an internal infection, and the suggested meds hopefully will take care of that.

Let me know once you have these products, and we can commence.

In the mean time, please continue with Epsom. You could even increase the dose to 1/2 teaspoons per 10 gallons.

There are plenty of pet stores locally plus the one I went to for the other Seachem products, so he probably has them as well, I'll call him from work and pick them up after if he has it.

He has said 1 tsp per 10 gallons, this evening I only did 1 teaspoon because I wasn't sure between what was posted here and what he said. I can do the 1/2 tsp per 10 gallons, is that for what's lost in the changed water, or the whole tank at every change?

Thank you very much for your help!

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If you think that you can get the meds tomorrow, then let's leave the Epsom as it is, at whatever amount. We will be removing it all prior to treatments. :)

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Ok great, thanks again!

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Ok, so I called the pet store and they have Metronidazole in stock but not the Kanaplex. However they will order it and can have it by this Friday. I'll puck up what they have after work today and get the other after work tommorrow in case I can start the one right away.

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Ok, I got the metronidazole from the lps and they ordered the kanaplex and it will be in definitely tomorrow.

I was going to do another 20-25% water change to bring the pH up more and to hopefully do away with the last of the ammonia. Should I put the Epsom salt in again and do I need to put in aquarium salt? Did you want me to start with the metronidazole since I have it?

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Don't start yet, because we'll use both the metro+kana together.

What are you doing to bring your pH up, or do you mean just because you are changing the water, it will bring it up some?

No more Epsom needs to be added. :)

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Hello and Welcome.

Your fish is so big and beautiful. I hope once you get him on a treatment plan with Alex's help he starts to feeling good again real soon.

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Hello and Welcome.

Your fish is so big and beautiful. I hope once you get him on a treatment plan with Alex's help he starts to feeling good again real soon.

Thank you very much! I hope so! :)

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Don't start yet, because we'll use both the metro+kana together.

What are you doing to bring your pH up, or do you mean just because you are changing the water, it will bring it up some?

No more Epsom needs to be added. :)

Ok, I decided not to do anything to the tank because I figured you probably wanted to start them together.

Right now I have switched from API products to Seachem products. I use Seachem Prime, Alkaline Buffer and Equilibrium. I believe the buffer is slowly raising the pH. I don't know if the water changes did that.

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Ok, I have both powders, dnalex. Even though he's shaped the same and still hasn't pooped, (I haven't tried any food yesterday or today) he seems less listless.

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Try feeding him something to see if he would eat.

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Ok, I gave him two peas and a little bit of daphnia (which the guy at the lps said would help if he's constipated). The peas are sitting there and he made a face at the daphnia. They are so tiny I am not sure if he ate it but I doubt it. He knows I feed him and watched me come into the room when I came home and then nosed around his tank instead of begging for food.

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Just an FYI, I live on the east coast and have to work tomorrow, so I'll be heading to bed soon. If I'm to start treatment tonight, it has to be soon, unless you want to wait until tomorrow.

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