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Fluke-Solve in UK

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When i got my 2 new goldfish a few weeks back i treated with salt and Fluke-solve. Everything seemed to be going along just fine when one morning Gandalf was covered in excess slime coat. Loss of appetite and rapid fin loss started soon after. He lasted 7 days before he was curled in a C shape barely moving. Galadriel went exactly the same way and lasted 8 days. This was the first time that i has used Fluke-Solve from Kusuri.

Now i am not saying that this was the cause of deaths but i emailed Plymouth Discus to see if there were any further reports of fish reacting badly with this product.

Here is the reply.

I do not use Prazi because I find it harsh and prefer Interpet Number Nine I have found it very good in the past even with breeding discus as long as you keep to the dosage rates. Yes, go over that and it will wipe out your filters. But keep to the dosage rate, it's good stuff and it's not one of my own brands either!! lol

I am re-thinking stocking Prazi because of customers complaining about fish dying after treatment with it. I only had a customer this morning saying he used Prazi on four torpedo barbs yesterday, within minutes all four was on the bottom gasping, this morning two dead and the others he has now moved to another tank, and they are swimming around again. Very strange!!

Chris Ingham.

Author of ?Discus World? the complete up to date manual for discus keeping.

PLYMOUTH DISCUS

Voted the UK's best top discus specialist by our customers, & readers of Practical Fish Keeping magazine 2011!!

The UK?s main wormer plus, & discus delights gourmet hamper food distributors.

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Alistair, this is worrying. However, I really don't think that there is anything about Praziquantel itself that is killing the fish, since our members the world over have been using this product safely, including some using Fluke-Solve or Prazipro in the UK, Prazi tablets in Australia, and AquaPrazi or Prazipro in the US/Canada. I actually use prazi at double the dosage, simply because with fin flukes, it's especially tough and called for a bit stronger dose. All of this is within safety range, since the toxic dosage of praziquantel requires quite a bit more meds to achieve. I am actually on round 3 of double-dose Prazi to treat my two new(ish) ranchus.

Having said that, I am not questioning the results you and others have seen with FlukeSolve. I can think of two possibilities:

1. The fish are succumbing to secondary infections. We usually recommend adding 0.3% salt along with the flukes treatment, but even this does not guarantee complete protection from secondary infections.

2. There is something specific to the preparation of FlukeSolve that is causing this.

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I think that the leading distributor of a product in the UK suggesting that they might stop stocking it due to number of complaints about it killing fish is enough to set alarm bells ringing. I am now trying to make contact with the female vet who works closely with Kusuri to get her take on the situation.

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hmm I used this on my tank as per instructions because Stephen Hawking was already looking under the weather and we'd already ruled out other possibilities in my D&D thread. I found that nothing really happened; SH did not improve, and the other three didn't change much. the only thing I noticed was that the other three were jittery after the treatment whenever someone approached the tank, including me, which they weren't before? they were still fine and playful when I sat in front of the tank - it was only when I walk towards the tank that they scattered. I honestly could not say if the Fluke-Solve worked at all in my case.

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Thanks for the info/alert and their response email....any other update?

I've used 3 packets of their wormer plus in a space of 6 months(different tanks and new fishes), and not had any probs....guess its milder

I also manage to get aqua-prazi (powder) from usa, tried out and 24hrs later my 4 and half year old oranda died with no visible injury. Four and half year old with never having any illness in all the time that i had her (she was that lucky)....she was the size of my palm, and just that morning i was admiring her finnage, and at lunchtime she was gone.

Coincidence?! who knows.....

I was just saying to my OH that, she's gone thru alot with me, but always healthy and zero illness, looks gorgeous and poof she's gone, just 24hrs earlier prior to the prazi, did a 90% water change. I also tested the water after i scooped her out, fearing she had contaminated the water,and nothing...ammonia and nitrite perfect 0. Talk about unexplained. And the only thing was the aquai-prazi powder....................i would be very nervous to use that again.

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The only thing I can think of is that with the powder Praziquantel, you really really have to dissolve well. If not, the fish may accidentally ingest a lot of it at once, and die from overdose?

This is just a guess, since it really confounds me. I've used both Aqua Prazi and Prazipro multiple times on my fish, and there hasn't been any issues.

The other possibility is that the fish actually had a lot of flukes, and the meds caused massive secondary infections...it seems a bit too quick for that, though.

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I followed rick's instruction on doseage.(slightly less actually)

In small container(for fishes) with tank water and lid, and shook it (like api's nitrate bottle 2), let it sit, whilst water change, and shook it again, until it was frothy). Look at bottom of container, all powder dissolved. The fishes were at one end of the tank, and i at the opposite end,poured it onto the outflow hob.

Sad thing is, i wasn't even flukeing her, she was fine, always is, it was for her co-habitants, even they had no real symptoms, but i had yet to ever fluke them.

I had finished my packet of wormer plus and thought to try the yet to be opened aquai-prazi.........................regretful now.

Maybe that prazi stuff is alot stronger, they were ok with the wormer plus stuff.

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well apart from my little oranda dying from a secondary infection after using Fluke-Solve ive found the product to work and hasn't appeared to cause any of my fish harm. Ive used it multiple times my main tank has had at-least 4 doses after buying my panda, and i even dosed the guppy tank with fluke solve. all are fine.

i always dissolve it in warm water from the kettle before adding to the tank to ensure its fully dissolved.

EDIT

coco - you used the enitre packet? its only one gram per 250 litres of water....

Edited by dodge245

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No of course not!

I used what i need,(tank size) and it keeps for 3months, each time i use some, put it away....and it gets less and less til its all gone ?!

New fishes and never prevously fluked fishes, and fishes that are flashing etc

Good to have a varied feedback for this thread though.

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This is something that is quite perplexing. Alistair, I hope you get some sort of response back from Kusuri.

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I was just wondering if this was ever resolved? I'm sorry to bring back a very old thread but I didn't think it was worth making an entirely new thread just to ask about a follow-up. I was cleaning out my pet cubbyhole and just found my packet of Fluke-Solve. wasn't sure whether to chuck it or keep it just in case someone else might need it or what...?

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I've used fluke solve several times now and had no problem

Edited by orandafan1981

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I've used fluke solve several times now and had no problem

As have others. :)

I have not heard anything from Allistair since. I'll PM and ask him, and see if he has heard anything from Kusuri.

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Unfortunately, i didn't hear back the last time that i emailed. I tried to get hold of the vet that works with the Kusuri UK products. No response as yet :(

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