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  1. Hi all, Sigh, I lost a fish recently. Very disappointing, and after reading I lost hope that nothing can be done. It's too late now for this one, but I wanted to get everyone's feedback. I got a telescope fantail and an active black ranchu of the same size in feb. They were both healthy looking, the ranchu extremely active. The telescope had cataract-like whiteish colour in its eye lens. I was quite certain it could not see well, but it could at least smell and graze for food. They were both doing very well in the quarantine tank, with good water conditions etc. I was away for work for 2+ days and did not feed them then as I thought it was ok (I do feed every other day, or once a day usually). And the ranchu has bitten a a good amount on the side of the poor fantail. There was no fungus, and the fantail was sitting, so I took the ranchu away to another tank where it's doing very well still. I note that the ranchu does bully, I've seen it in the past, but not as ferocious. Now, the fantail never got better. I used melafix, and in fact it became emaciated. In the first few days it did swim occasionally to graze, then sit. It seemed to be eating and pooping while it is wasting away. I read around that there is no cure at this stage, so it was really sad to watch. The wound had very little red patches, but no fungus. I was hopeful that it would get better when I saw that it was eating and pooping, but it still got even skinnier and eventually passed on. I feel awful for not having the will of putting it down Anyway, I thought that if it was a stronger fish, it would have survived. Maybe it's one of those cases where the fish will never make it in a community tank. It will be picked on, and it will be too weak to survive. I don't learn my lesson my picking hardy fish do I. Is this how you guys feel over here? What are everyone's thoughts? Is there really no cure for when fish start wasting away? This is my first time seeing this. Meds are very limited here. I did try to feed flagyl, added just a bit of sea salt, and I had tetracycline which I didn't end up using as I didn't want to mix meds.
  2. Interesting, I always thought water left out in nature should be ok to use, as long as it doesn't have any dodgy contaminants (didn't realise air bacteria will affect fish). What was I thinking! On a different note, I do leave treated water in big bottles for water changes (letting it stand for some time, even longer) instead of taking it from the tap and treating directly. The bottles are clean - is this a no-no?
  3. Hi all, This is embarassing, but I have to ask the experts. Months ago (maybe 6 or more now) I cleaned out my empty aquarium (I did use PP to sterilise it) and then filled it with freshwater, with a small amount of leftover gravel in the tank. I thought I'll start putting more fish in it some day, but the day never came. Now, about a few cm has evaporated off, the stagnancy of the water looks dubious to other people (not me, cos I do want to save water if possible). I am wondering now whether it is safe to use it, or to just replace it altogether?
  4. I am thinking of getting zebra danios, seen them in a tank with a goldie with no issues. I think they add to the excitement of the tank...fast moving, energetic etc My only concern is with medications. I am used to salting tanks, and using my usual stock of chemicals with goldies...are danios just as hardy, unlike tropical fishes? I won't know how to quarantine danios, figured goldies are more tolerant?
  5. Hi JenW, thanks for the reply...at times like this it sucks having to go through this ordeal alone Yes in OZ chemicals are very lacking. I wish medigold exists here, or a bit more decent antibiotics. The pet shelther and vets here don't work with fish too. Just dogs and cats, the common pets, oh well. I'm not sure what else to do, I have switched to melafix/pimafix combo as I realised that TC doesn't seem to help, or could be doing more damage (???). He's just so listless, sitting on the bottom with all his fins (dorsal, pectoral, anal ) clamped up. I wish I knew what to do. He's in clean dechlorinated+aged water, salted 0.1% with the medication. His tail is also a bit torn at the edges (fin rottish), which made me wonder if the TC did something bad. The other antibiotic I found that I have not used before is "bactonex" by aquasonic (main ingredient aminacrine hydrochloride & methylene blue. Could someone tell me if this is safe to use, what it does, and how to dose it? (I got this from someone and the label is worned out). Please help.... the fish is so listless, but seems to be eating when food comes and pooping normal brown stuff (is there hope???) maybe I should be putting this in the 911 forum? Could someone do this for me? PS: edited to add that I think it's flukes, because besides the flashing (that I failed to respond to quickly, stupid stupid me!), was that I could see them. Been here before about this issue last year. I am also eager to know if someone can clarify whether this sitting down with everything clamped, and tattered tail + pop-eye is a normal symptom of stress from flukes, or something else.
  6. Dear all, I lost a fish after it started dropsying. I realised that it could be flukes again. Unfortunately this batch of fishes I have area really hardy, so I suppose when I've already seen the symptoms (very very occasional flashing) this summer they've probably got extremely burdened by it all and snapped. I have another fish that started to swell a bit. And he is now in a QT with some epsom and tetracycline antibiotics (that's the only antibiotic I can find here, besides melafix/pimafix ). He's now very clamped fins, with a slight black tinge on the tail (the other one that died had black patches on the sides, but I suppose this is because they are trying to heal from the stress?). On the other hand I have another fish in the main problem tank (that has already been dosed with trichlorphon) that seems to be doing ok, swimming happily with fins all erect. I will keep dosing this tank with her in it as she seems to be coping better than the other who needs to be in QT. What else should I do guys? I felt the sick one's body and it doesn't feel soft like the one that died. Is there hope? Water is fresh and replaced 2x a day. Oh and I forgot to say that his dropsy condition has disappeared (because of the pinch of epsom?), but he has a bit of pop-eye. Oh I'm so sad I've already stopped getting the fancier goldfish (just fantails and comets), and wasn't expecting this to happen all over again. My fault too as I really should have done a precautionary dose of prazi when the weather got really hot here. I totally forgot that flukes is a long term problemm and is always there!
  7. Coo, thanks for your reply JenWl. I know para-ex (trichlorphon) is quite nasty for you...not supposed to touch for your nerves sake etc. I have a large external filter...do you think I should turn them off? There's so gonna be lots of flukes there...and I don't want existing bio bugs there to die when the filter is turned off. What do I do? I don't have carbon in there so maybe it's ok. I always thought that organophosphates kill invertebrates and parasites like that...just wasn't sure if the good bacteria are invertebrates too
  8. Hi all, I'm a bit hazy on this as it's not written in the product description... I'm trying to eliminate possible flukes (again) in my final tank. I have my emergency Para-Ex tablets with trichlorphon as the main ingredient. Is this safe to dose in my final (non hospital) cycled tank? Is it safe for the plants in there? I know prazi is. Thanks
  9. I do hold them vertically. I guess with the last few drops left it won't be accurate anymore, due to the air pressure in the bottle etc etc perhaps
  10. Hi guys, I use my fish water during changes to water the garden. I learnt that (deactivated) PP kills plants (opps -and I thought plants need 'potassium' in their soil, oh well). I know that Prazi is 'safe' to use. I don't dare use tetracycline because I think it kills bacteria and don't want to kill anything 'good' in the ground. How about other chemicals, like say Para-ex which contains trichlorphon and something else. I'm using that now. I also figured it might be a good to know about other medications too. Oh, and how about salted water, is 0.3% or 3% safe to plants? PS: don't know where this question should go
  11. Cool! heheheh, I can't wait to tell my husband about this. He was so sure it's impossible to take photos of a microscope sample - I bet he'll think I'm crazy for suggesting this later Can't wait to try at home....now to find microbugs to take photos of.... Paul - no more bug drawing for us woo hoo! Can someone put this useful info in a sticky for microscope users? Thanks Awrieger!
  12. awrieger, I'm impressed as well - is that what you really did? Take a digital picture from the microscope eye piece? I never thought that would be possible, especially this clear! My microscope had a "projector" view where it reflects the slide picture on say a wall. Even taking a clear picture of the bigger shadow on the wall is hard for me. I have to try now
  13. I think the shaking is due to parasites of some sort (flukes in my case) attacking the gills, so i think it's important to tackle this issue immediately as well. Resources I've read usually stress on tackling the parasite first, then the bacterial stuff. I wonder if we can do this at the same time? I'm just worried because parasites hide very well in the gills, and salt baths might not get them out and weaken the fish during bacterial treatment Daryl's advice about taking microscope scrapes will be useful too, it's good to know who the enemy is.
  14. I see this ~3-5mm white string coming off from my fish's fins (two at the moment, one on pectoral, one on dorsal, but I've seen it on claudal a year ago). It does not look like anchor worm. It doesn't look like a distinct line, more of slightly fuzzy. It kind of looks like there's a very small whitish fuzz (like fungus) on the fin surface and the possible fungus-like string coming off it. I'm thinking it's either: - my fish's slime coating coming off, and so happens to be a distinct string shape - my fish got bitten by parasites (namely flukes) more than usual there, and it's fungus residue sliding off - it's a big parasite - help! I still see 1-1.5mm flukes (I think) on my fishies btw. I'm at the first stages of treatment, and hope that after salt bath and more water changes (+ bucket to bucket) they'll be less slimy and the strings go away. If someone can find a pic of this string description, could you show me so I can tell if it's what I have?
  15. mkinga, twitching or shaking/spasms is due to flukes - I saw this on my fish when they were heavily infested with them I don't know if this is the root cause of your problems, or if you're having multiple issues at this time, but no harm treating for flukes anyway to eliminate them. They're nasty - I'm battling them now Good luck there, my fingers are crossed for ur fishies.
  16. So there was an ammonia crash? Could be due to that and it being more sensitive than the others. By the way, do keep an eye on the ammonia. When I saw 0.25-0.5 in my water once, I rechecked the parameters later with a newer test kit to find it as high as 1 (or more) So I hope extra water changes and a bit of aquarium salt will perk your fish up. How long have you had this tank up for, and any new things that's happened recently that might cause this change? Sitting at the bottom could be also due to parasites, so do keep a close eye on the fish and let us know of any unusual marks/behaviours you can see.
  17. Just needed to whinge - I bought a new test kit because (I use the ammonia one a lot - 8 drops per two bottles for each test ahhh!) the older one (over a year old) doesn't seem accurate. I think because it's finishing in a bit, and the drops are different in size or something. Isn't this dodgy because every other test chemical will also eventually reach that state. I feel like it's a waste of expensive chemicals. Is this normal? I thought these things don't expire that fast.
  18. How rude... but funny too though If only he knew how silly he sounds talking to ppl who know what they're doing! I'm envious that his fish actually lasted that long though. Here I am, trying so hard to do tests and water changes and my fishies still leave me - how unfair
  19. It's always hard to convince non-animal ppl that what you're doing is worthtit My family aren't into animals, so I'm glad to have the independence now living for myself. I have my 3 fish tanks in my main areas, and my guinea pigs in the dining room. The first thing my mum said when she visited was that's too many aquariums and the pigs will smell bad .I think parents just like giving premonitions about things just because, thinking they're helping when they're not really. People here have given good advice on how to tackle the "verbal" naggings. Good luck there I'm glad that you're strong on pursuing your own interests despite these challenges. Aint it great to find this site and know that you're doing the right thing
  20. I wonder what other aussies do for treating flukes, it seems so rampant over here :\ Anyway, should I keep salt dipping with this other medication? I hope their slime levels will eventually drop as the bugs die, so the medication sill reach them easier over the courses of water changes and repeat doses I'll give. Hmm...if this works out well, Iit looks easier than I thought to start getting new fish and quarantining them this way
  21. Some updates - it looks good. I realised that Para-ex tablets dissolve much easier than Prazi. And today, I didn't see any "sitting down" behaviour. I'm really amazed! I guess maybe the recommended Prazi dosage is less effective for certain strains of flukes...what do you guys think? I have doubled the dosage, but I guess it's just not dissolving well enough (and perhaps they just hide very well in certain slimy areas) in the particular water I have, temperature-wise too perhaps. I'm still confused as Prazi is recommended very widely here. It could be the brand of Prazi we have here too - they tend to come late in lsfs here and are past the expiry date by the time they arrive (!!!). But I guess if trichlorphon works definitely, I'll opt on it especially without a heater. I've always been afraid of the ingredient name, but it seems mild - my fishies are don't seem bothered by it...
  22. Puggirl, do u have flukes too? I can describe them if you like, maybe it'd help. The symptoms of flukes is quite obvious (I think). I finally bit the bullet and dosed with Para-Ex trichlorphon. I read that it's actually a very mild medication, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I'll let u know how it goes...i'm always afraid of trying out new medication :\. Thanks captk for following ur helpful replies I read that Para-cide is also effective for flukes...whether they're both different ingredients though, I;m not sure.
  23. I don't have snails anymore (only once had them and thought they were great early indicators for water problems) when I started being aware of fish quarantine and treating. Like I won't be able to salt the tank with snails. Hmm..and I also don't know how to disinfect snails... but that's me being wary about additing other living creatures with my goldies When my goldies were much bigger than the snail, they tend to pick on it, it's so scary! Poor snail. I also found that it's harder to make the tank more aerated (bubblers and strong filter currents) as it annoys the snails I had - they will float and float and not grasp the ground. Poor snail! I guess that's one of the different tank requirements between goldies and snails
  24. mkinga, this is usually a sign of internal problems http://www.koicrisis.com/symptoms/behavior...+%20Swimm-53266 I've got a late fish with that symptom before, I thought it was SBD at first, but know better now (I think). It's stomach eventually became mushy I hope you get to treat your fish for internal bacterial asap - good luck there
  25. Good point about the slime. I did do a first salt dip 2 days ago. And yesterday I see the flukes dancing in front of me, on the surface of the fish's fin and body, like they're taunting me It's probably not enough, but I think I should heat up the tank etc etc and do a full on treatment. But I don't want to repeat the same thing I did before if it'll somehow let a few through again - and we repeat the worrying cycle. I wish I can treat them with something more immediate for now though, see ing the little one suffering, say PP? But if I do that, I have to make sure their slime coating is not too thin or it might hurt them. So is 20C really not effective for flukes? I did shake it like crazy to dissolve it, and could smell the prazi in the tank for the 2 days. I'm so confused. Do people have more successful attempts in "cold" water with para-ex trichlorphon tablets? Is it dangerous to handle? What do i do?
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