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  1. It's really hard for me to make the choice. Ranchu, Oranda, Butterfly, Ryukin, Bubble eyes, Lionhead, these are all my favourites.
  2. I will ask him later, but I don't know whether I can get the answer, after all some breeder keep these things as their secret. My friend told me that all these ranchu are raised in outside FRP ponds with shelters to keep them from rain, which means the fish should be kept in broad water and sunshine is necessary, and he fed them with Hikari(a brand) goldfish food. He said he's very happy to see so many people loving his goldfish. P.S. My friend told me today that he lives in Malaysia where the climate is very warm(I'm quite confused about his nationality, because his Chinese is as good as native). Therefore, his way of breeding fish may not be suitable for those live in cold area.
  3. I like your ranchu and oranda, both are very potential ones.
  4. Congratulations, you got a very nice oranda.
  5. I will ask him later, but I don't know whether I can get the answer, after all some breeder keep these things as their secret.
  6. "Goldfish Classic" is the internet ID of a famouse Chinese breeder on Chinese goldfish forum. I talked with him online last night and mentioned about KoKosgoldfish, he said he's very happy to see so many people in western world interested in goldfish, and he's glad to share with the western enthusiasts the pictures of his fish. Since he's quite busy and is not good at English, I will do him the favor. Today, I will post some of his ranchu, all of which are SVR, and extremely colorful.
  7. I've posted my tank in this topic:http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/96352-my-tank-and-fish/ I use an upper filter(I don't know what you westerners call it, it's a 90cm long plastic through and it's for mechanical filtering only) and the 4L white barrel is used as the bio filtering(in China we call it reverse air lifting filter, but I don't know what you guys call it). The 15W water pump lift the water into the upper filter, the upper filter is filled with floss to filter out the big particles in water, and the output of upperfilter in connected to the input of the reverse air lifting filter which is filled with ceramic rings, an air stone is placed in the barrel to increase the efficiency, because the nytrifying bacteria need oxygen.At the bottom of the barrel, I drilled hundreds of small holes to guarantee the water flow out of the barrel is small enough. We Chinese fish fans like to DIY the filter system, and I'm just a starter, so my filter system may not work as well as those you buy from the aquarium store.
  8. I've posted my tank in this topic:http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/96352-my-tank-and-fish/ I use an upper filter(I don't know what you westerners call it, it's a 90cm long plastic through and it's for mechanical filtering only) and the white barrel is used as the bio filtering(in China we call it reverse air lifting filter, but I don't know what you guys call it). The 15W water pump lift the water into the upper filter, the upper filter is filled with floss to filter out the big particles in water, and the output of upperfilter in connected to the input of the reverse air lifting filter which is filled with ceramic rings, an air stone is placed in the barrel to increase the efficiency, because the nytrifying bacteria need oxygen.At the bottom of the barrel, I drilled hundreds of small holes to guarantee the water flow out of the barrel is small enough. We Chinese fish fans like to DIY the filter system, and I'm just a starter, so my filter system may not work as well as those you buy from the aquarium store.
  9. Maybe, but I'm not quite sure about that, because some of them keep it as their secret. But one thing for sure is that you can not rely too much on the filter system to raise the butterfly, you should often use a tube to suck out the fish ###### yourself, that's why Chinese breeders don't like to put any plant or sand or other decoration in their tank or pond, because the decoration sometimes makes the clean up more difficult.
  10. Well, he is really a big figure, isn't he. As I have mentioned, it's natural to have different standards of a single type of goldfish in different countries, because of the different aesthetic appreciaiton of different people. I admit the ranchu was originally developed by Japanese people, but that doesn't means breeders from other countries cannot further develop that type, after all there is no goldfish patent, right? if there is a patent, then there are noly a few types are left for breeder outside China. I don't know what he means about a commercial breed. Does the Japanese ranchu sell for free. Goldfish were developed to please the people, and the reason behind TVR is that there was once upon a time most people kept their pet fish in pond and bowl. However, time changes and people changes, we now prefer to raise our fish in glass tank, and that's why Chinese and Thai breeders are so interested in developing SVR. Please allow me to quote a famous sentence of Deng Xiaoping, the former president of China, he said"No matter it is black or white, a cat that can catches rats is a good cat", and also, a ranchu that can please people is a good ranchu. In China, Japanese ranchu and Thai ranchu co-exist with Chinese ranchu, and fish fans can make their own choice. There are also lots of breeders deeply attracted by Japanese ranchu, and although I'm not interested in TVR(If I have a pond, I would rather raise the butterfly in it), I've also heard of the strict standards for Japanese ranchu. However if you have read some books about Chinese goldfish culture and history, you will know that the rules are no less strict in China,and the classificaiton is far more complex. But I don't think most of goldfish keepers should know that, if you buy a red cap golofish with red lip or red cheek from the pet store, and someone tell you that according the defination and standard of red cap, it shouldn't have red or other color on it except on its head, then what will you do? Throw it into the toilet? If the red cheek and red slip pleased you, then what's wrong with that? We don't need them to win some goldfish competition for us, we just like what they looks, and that's enough. Those strict rules may work for some high level breeder like your friend, but it's not good for goldfish's future. If we are always been stuck to these old conservertive rules, there will be no more new type. And I want to remind your friend that Japanese ranchu is developed from the lionhead, maybe compared to lionhead, Japanese ranchu can be considered as a commercial type too. Orenda is a very old type which has been existing for hundreds of years, but Japanese and Thai breeders has done some further jobs to optimize the type, and we appreciate that, we never say such words like"in principle there is only one orenda and that is Chinese orenda". In fact, Thai orendas are extremely popular in China these years just because of their beautiful side view, and lots of Chinese breeders has mixed the Thai orenda with Chinese orenda to optimize the Chinese orenda. Remember, it's not up to other people's words but yourself to understand and evaluate a fish. And my purpose this topic is to let you know there are three differen outlook ranchu developed by three different country and when you buy the one you like you can know where it came from.
  11. Your Charlie is really a very rare type. The phoenix had almost been extinct in mainland China during the 10-year-long culture revolution. Thanks to Hongkong and Japanese breeders, this beautiful type continues. However, the phoenix today looks quite different to what it looked 100 years ago, because the pure blood was lost in the 10-year-long catastrophy, and some Chinese breeders are now trying to recover this type to its original outlook, but it's really a difficult job. By the way, the pure blood phoenix has no dorsal fin, so I think Charlie may be a mixture of phoenix and orenda, a really handsom half blood prince!
  12. Plus,there are lots of goldfish farms in China. As far as I know, there are more than 5 in Shanghai alone. And one thing you should pay attention is that the average personal income(yearly) in China is only 19000yuan, which is only 3000 dollars, therefore, although the absolute price is quite low in China, the relative price is just the opposite.
  13. Well, the price of goldfish is highly dependent on the quality or the outlook of the fish. I have three fish, and you can find them in http://www.kokosgold...-tank-and-fish/ The telescope is about 14cm, costs 7 yuan. The lionhead is about 8cm, costs 8 yuan. The ranchu is about 12cm, costs 50 yuan. The price for the fry smaller than 5cm can be less than 0.5 yuan The price for the butterflies that I post in this topic varies from 30 to some thounsand yuan. The price for a 15+cm ranchu with a very standard outlook is usually higher than 300 yuan. The prices for the other types of goldfish are quite similar. Usually, it's not their type, but their color, pattern, shape and size determines their value. And imported goldfish(usually from Japan and Thailand) is far more expensive than the local ones. Considering the exchange rate is 1:6.34, the price for the goldfish is much more cheaper in China than in USA, but I believe the situation will one day be changed if more and more breeders appears in USA.
  14. Holy crap, look at his tail, seems like he has some phoenix blood.
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