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  1. Well... The day has come for me to post this post. Migaloo was looking so much better... i fed her Friday in the morning and she looked great. I was happy to be nearing the end of the metro course. Then when i went to feed her that night, i suddenly found her turned upside-down. At that stage, i knew it was time to let her go, but as a last-ditched effort, i hand fed her some peas and denyfully hoped she had a blockage... All the while knowing it was sadly not the case. I wasnt sure she would make it through the night but because she still seemed responsive to me and ate the food, i let her be till the morning. This morning she looked worse. Just laying there, upside down, still breathing and noticed one of her eyes had blood in it. I decided it was time to say good bye to my beloved Migaloo and euthanased her with clove oil. It was aweful and im in tears, but she went peacefully. This is the first time i have lost a goldfish. It has been a lengthy battle and she faught a good fight. I have lost count now, but might be around 30 days or more in qt. Thank you to everyone here for your advice and support during this time. Out of all our fish, she was mine and my OH's one and only favourite.... Not to sound mean to the others, but why did it have to be her? The puppy dog of the tank. So friendly and responsive with such a happy-go-lucky nature.... and such a showoff. If you went up to the tank she would get so excited and start doing all sorts of summersults and tricks. She would always make us laugh with her antics and she will certanly be missed as part of our tank. R.I.P Migaloo. We love you x
  2. Thanks Koko! Yeah, i thought it was weird to only get one Baytril shot, but Migaloo has been on Metro gel food all week so no more Baytril. No epsom in the water for a while now. Quick update.... We're not out of the woods yet and although still pineconed, Migaloo is looking significantly better. The swelling has gone down alot compared to what it was. She looks nowhere near as 'round' and full as she was previously. Will post new pics as soon as I can. She ended up with quite a few of those fluid bubbles (as in above pics). They were everywhere on her sides, around the dorsal and even one right on her underbelly. She really looked aweful. One would burst then reappear within just a few hours. The good news is all bubbles have now gone and have not returned for several days now. I think the metro might be working. So far has been about 24 days in QT. She's still happily swimming around and eating well. Being hand fed twice a day. Definitely looking better..... But we're still fighting the fight!
  3. Thanks!! This is awesome! Clear, simple.... Just the info I need! Much appreciated!! Am off to make my gel food right now!! :-)
  4. Just thought I'd make a new thread as I cant seem to find a clear, simple answer fast enough and was hoping someone might see this and point me in the right direction. Sorry if there is already a thread about this on Koko's, but I couldn't seem to find it. I picked up a 100ml bottle of liquid metronidazole (Flagyl S Suspension) from the vet. Metro concentration is 200 mg/5 ml. The vet worked out the dosage according to my fish's weight (was weighed last week), but dosage is only for the water. My dosage instructions are "Give 1.25ml per 4.5L of tank water. Repeat after 3 days." However, i would rather put the meds in gel food, but don't really know what the correct oral dose should be. Can anyone tell me how many mg of metro i should feed should feed per day/per feed? Then I can dose each gel food meal accordingly? Thanks in advance :-)
  5. I agree amynmitchell.... I dont particulary like not having epsom in the tank atm, with the bloating so bad. The fact the 'bubble' came up during the 5 day epsom free period concerns me. Even though the first treatment of epsoms did not get rid of the swelling, i truly believe they slowed it down. Once the treatment stopped, the swelling became worse. I thought five days was a good enough break period before starting the epsoms again. If five days isn't enough, then how many days is enough?...... Particularly when time is not on your side. Ashlee... Thanks for that info. Will have a look at her gills. They look a normal pink colour from what I can see, but I will try to hold her and get a good look inside.
  6. Thanks for the comments everyone! I think they are pretty special! No, not aggressive at all. They are a schooling fish and one might have a little go at another occasionally, but that's it. They are a very peaceful fish and should not be kept with faster, aggressive fish. Thanks horserider! How did you end up with growing out your juvies? Do you still have them? Im so glad I didnt go the juvie route. The ones i bought were not quite full grown, but well past the juvie stage! Oh btw.... Nice horse in your avatar!! I have one too (thats my gelding in my signature) You should Fang! You really should :-) yeah, its not so much the PH level that worries discus, but they are sensitive to PH change. I know alot of discus people will only use aged water for their water changes. I am lucky as my tap and tank ph are very close, if not the same... always stable. Hi ashlee! They get along perfectly. In fact, before I started keeping discus, one of my angels was quite agressive to the other angels (you may remember). Since the discus have been in the tank, he is so placid now! A completely different fish. Guess they are bigger and he's not the boss anymore lol. But the discus and angels just hang out peacefully together.... I have never had an issue. Plus, they both like the warmer temps. Oh... Edited to add, the tank is 80 gal (300 litres) :-)
  7. Thanks guys for all you advice and support its much appreciated! Just a little update! There has been no change in Migaloo. Still bloated, but still bright and active and still crazy for her food! In the last day and a half (since I posted), the bubble on her side popped, filled up again and now popped again. Anyway, the good news is I am able to get my hands on some Metro from the vet without taking the fish in again so am picking this up today. I took the epsom salts back out with yesterday's waterchange. But when can I try epsoms again? How long is a long enough break between epsom treatments? So far I have done 8/9 days on, 5 days off and then another 24 hours on. Sakura, I too have been thinking more towards organ failure in this case as it just seems to fit the symptoms moreso than a bacterial dropsy, just going from what i have read.... But then again, perhaps its egg impaction, perhaps it is bacterial.... Guess i might never know... I know that metro will not work if this is the case, but while she's still happy and eating, its worth a shot! Anything worth trying is better than not trying anything.... Im not giving until she tells me she's ready to give up :-)
  8. You should so set up a discus tank Frederica!! Yes, you can mix any colours no problem! None of mine have paired off, which I am actually happy about as I didnt really want a 'pair' in case of breeding aggression. They are quite funny fish - they are quite a shy fish and can spook easily. They say you should have minumum 5 or 6 together (unless you buy a breeding pair) or they will stress out. Because of this it was quite expensive to start out - just 1 fish is expensive, so when you have to get 5 at once... Buying juveniles is of course much cheaper, however, they are much harder to care for. They need water changes every couple of days and can stunt very easily - I coudn't be bothered with that stress!! I would like to add just one more - would love a bright yellow one one day! It took several weeks for them to settle in their new home when I first got them. I had to remove most of my plants at first because discus will hide if you give them a chance to. These days they are very much at home and dont hide at all even with plants back in the tank. They will eat out of my hand and I have to gently push them out of the way when I siphon the tank!
  9. Frederica... sorry I was looking at your PP thread and saw you demanded pics of my Discus ages ago!! They are not too hard to look after - just more sensitive. If you have consistantly clean, warm water and a stable PH, you cant go wrong! I bought a new tropical tank several months ago now.... it is exactly the same as my 6ft goldie tank, only the 4 foot version, so now we have a matching set in our lounge room! Sorry.... better late then never though right?? - here they are!! I have 5 Discus and 3 angelfish in this tank. Blue Diamond Red Spotted Leopard Red Checkerboard Turqiose Lutino Pigeonblood Brown
  10. Thanks so much Helen.... yes, her Tummy is squishy..... Deep down I know its only a matter of time.... but still feel I should keep trying in the mean time..... I will euthanase when the time comes :-( Yes, I went over with the epsom time frame - only because when I asked the vet he said "another couple of days won't hurt", so that's literally what I did....
  11. Yes, I literally drove Migaloo to the vet. It was a logistical mission for me and Im sure stressful for her. I took a 10 gallon tank in the car with clean water and some cycled sponge to help with ammonia, plus an additional smaller container - big enough for her to swim comfortably, yet small enough for me to carry into the actual consult. To be honest she seemed to cope very well - acted normal and no sign of slime coat shedding. When we got home, I gave her some food and it was like nothing happened So it was either stress her out for a couple of hours, or do nothing because it was hard enough to even find a vet who would trat a fish and even harder to find a vet who will administer drugs without consultation. We cannot buy anti biotic meds (like Metro) in Australia - need to get it from a vet. Tetracycline is the only antibiotic you can get at an LFS.... its tough going around here if you have fish LOL I'll tell you, when I called the vet, some young girl answered, I said "Do you treat fish?" the girl says "no we dont, you could try taking him to an aquaruim" - I said I dont need an aquarium, I NEED A VET!" She put me onto the vet nurse who asked me a few questions and to describe the symptoms. When I told her about the pineconing she then says to me "How do you know he doesnt just have swim bladder?"... gosh - it was so frustrating!!! Anyway, the actual vet I saw was good with fish and seemed to know alot about them - he also has fish at home. Im just surprised he didnt send any meds home with me.... I know the prognosis for Dropsy is never good, but since she is doing so well and still so strong, I can't give up on her yet! So stop the epsom then?? Ok... will get rid of it tomorrow. I am hoping what I put in there today will help at least reduce that bubble overnight maybe. Just to clarify, I have so far had 8 or 9 days of epsom treatment , then a 5 day break from epsom until today when I added some again.... I havent had any real experience with dropsy, as I said Migaloos other two times were so mild. Is it normal during dropsy for a fish to swim, eat and poop healthily? I always thought they would seem much sicker/unhappier if that makes sense???
  12. That looks unreal! I love it! I tried one of those, but it was nowhere near as nice as yours. First of all the lights where white (the blue looks awesome), and secondly the bubblewand that came with it was really poor - would get blocked so easily and hardly any bubbles came out of it. Annoying because it wasnt cheep! Love your tank!!
  13. For the main tank [*]Test Results for the Following: [*]Ammonia Level? 0 [*]Nitrite Level? 0 [*]Nitrate level? 15 today [*]Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? 7.6 [*]Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? 7.6 [*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API Drops [*]Water temperature? 22 Celcius [*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 180... Maybe a year or so??? [*]What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Aqua one canister filter 1500 litres p/h and internal filter 2000 Lph, uv sterilizer [*]How often do you change the water and how much? About 80% every 5 days [*]how many days ago was the last water change and how much? Sunday changed 80% [*]How many fish in the tank and their size? 12 ranging from around 4 to 11 inches, 2 adult BN + 4 or 5 not fully grown BN [*]What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime with each water change and nothing else [*]What do you feed your fish and how often? Once a day, usually Hikari sinking pellets - but the lst couple of months have fed HBH sinking pellets as couldn't get Hikari at that time, As a treat bloodworms, peas once or twice a week, algea wafers (for the bn, but the goldies eat them too) [*]Any new fish added to the tank? No [*]Any medications added to the tank? See below [*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Blood blotches that come and go, occasonal blood streaks in fins. See below [*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? No For the current QT tank [*]Test Results for the Following: [*]Ammonia Level? 0 [*]Nitrite Level? 0 [*]Nitrate level? 0 (due to daily water changes, however the media in the QT tank is cycled) [*]Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? 7.6 [*]Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? 7.6 [*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API Drops [*]Water temperature? Temp raised to 26 Celcius [*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 17 gals... two weeks [*]What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? cycled sponge filter plus extra cycled sponge [*]How often do you change the water and how much? daily about 80% [*]how many days ago was the last water change and how much? Today 80% [*]How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 - she is about 6 inches at a guess [*]What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime with each water change [*]What do you feed your fish and how often? has been getting mostly peas during QT, but have given her a couple of sinking pellets every now and then. [*]Any new fish added to the tank? No [*]Any medications added to the tank? See Below [*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Blood blotches that come and go, occasonal blood streaks in fins? See below [*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? No So sorry for the novel! Hi Guys - I need to call upon your help.... or if nothing else, at least your healing vibes... My beautiful and favourite favourite fish Migaloo has Dropsy :-(. This is the third time in the last maybe 5 months, however, the first two times were only mild cases and I was able to treat with tetracycline (antibiotics) and epsom salts and the swelling went down within just a few days. None of my other 11 fish have ever had it before and everyone in the main tank is doing just great. It has been about 3 months since the last bout and this time I can't seem to get rid of it. She has had it now for 15 days and has not really got any better, nor really any worse for that matter. She is very fluidy in the body and showing minor fluid sacs around her eyes. Apart from this she is swimming strongly, goes nuts for food at feeding time, poops look normal, not stringy at all, although maybe 'thinner' than her usual ones (most likely being compressed by the swelling), no fin clamping or anything - in fact if it weren't for the pineconed appearance, you would never even know she was sick. Treatment so far has been daily water changes with epsom salts 1/4 teaspoon per 10 gal and slightly raised temp for first week plus the tetracycline again. When I saw this wasnt helping at all, I took her to a vet who seemed to know alot about fish and she got a baytril injection. I think it may have helped a little because the next day the small amount of fluid around the eyes was gone completely. He said another couple of days in the epsom wouldnt hurt her, so I did that. I then gave her a break from the epsom for a few days (about 5 days I think). During the epsom salt break, the fluid in the body has become worse and she has even developed a fluid sac under one of her scales which I noticed yesterday!! The fluid sac is bigger today (about pea-sized - see photo), so I have started her back on the epsoms today, but this time I have gradually increased the dose - I dont know what else to do to get the swelling down!! Is it ok to have her back on epsoms? Will it hurt her to increase the dose since the 1/4 tsp per 10 gal was clearly not working?? After some reading, I believe I should have got 10 days worth of baytril injections??? The vet only gave her the 1 injection on the day, which was a week ago now. Anyway, I am going to take her back to the vet on Friday as I have a day off. This time I will ask if I can take some injections home for her. Do you guys think its worth getting a scope done to see what bacteria, if any is causing this? Could be a kidney failure and not bacteria related? Its just so weird because she seems so heathly otherwise - even after all this time being pineconed, which is keeping me hopeful. I haven't tried a PP bath yet - should I try this before the next vet visit? I have a stock solution ready to go. Im worried the bubble on her side may burst whilst in the PP bath which could burn her.... Thank goodness she is still going strong, but I feel like Im not getting anywhere. Any suggestions would be welcomed at this point!
  14. Thanks for the suggestion guys... have done exactly that!! A bit of an update...... The blood spots you see in the photos were gone by the next day. The strange thing is, straight after this, he broke out in several nasty looking pimples around his head and chin. I didnt manage to get pics of these, but there were quite a few. I have been doing daily water changes and dosing with .1% salt and some melafix. The pimples have all gone now and he looks perfectly healthy and blemish-free , but he is still in QT under observation. I'll give it another week or so (have removed salt now... Just using clean water. Im curious to see if any marks wil come back on him. He can go back to the main tank in a while longer. Throughout this period, he was always happy and very active..... He's such a little cutie. Still have no idea whats causing these breakouts.
  15. Thanks for the replies I had considered this, but am very doubtful it would be the BNs... They really mind their own business in the tank and if one of the goldies pecks at them they just scamper off. Also, most of the fish usually sleep on the bottom of the tank all grouped together, but Lucky is one of the ones that hovers mid tank. Have never really seen him sitting at the bottom. There were times when the blood patches have been bigger than what they are in the photos. They look to be under the scales, but there are never any scales missing. If he was getting stuck somewhere, wouldnt there be missing scales? I feel like there could be something going on from the inside Oh and not really sure at what time ive found them. Maybe in the morning, but I dont think there's been a consistent time of day - not that i've noticed anyway Its just very strange.
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