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  1. Talk about house cleaning; 8 yeqars ago when I was told to feed frozen peas - I feed the peas as they said - frozen - well would'nt you know it the peas went to the bottom - the goldies checked them out - by the morning they had pushed all 8 peas to one section of the tank - or however they transported them - like cannonballs next to a cannon - I swear! I believe they were anal - retentive house cleaning Goldies!! LOL
  2. Shamu- Just wait till your goldie gets those lieelt rough equivelants to teeth on their lips - LOL they can really grab on when they want to once they get used to being finger fed............. Chubbygold - take a look atr my "Intelligence topic and I agree - as in the case of my Punch - tell me he does not have memory of what he likes - Very sorryu to hear of your loss due to your cousin
  3. Your idea is great - I just assume they get more than from the skillet - Someone mentioned Frozen worms - take care with these - depending on the batch you get - Somehow a batch came in one time that gave all of my Orandas digestive problems - nature is smart however- after the "unsettling worms" -= they would tear the future worms out of my hands and toss them about and essentially throw them away or blow water at my fingers to get rid of them - That takes some great nature. Branjie brought up a great point - what are they getting from ir - if anything - belkieve me - I love watching their reaction to comething they really like - like canteloupe - I do not know what else you feed them - but I do hope it has nutrients that are "available" and not bound up for their system to get to ? I totally agree that as It has been determined; straight dry food pellets may posibly be a simple NONONONONO?? because of their weird genetically designed bodies. In a quest for different ways and things to feed : Try this; get a little screw down pill crusher ? about $1.00. Take the amount of food that you would feed in the morning ? for example ? I combine three types ? never the same any one feeding (a placebo affect in my thinking it would be boring for me so why not for them ? and have found different responses to eating depending on the variety). For example Omega has a marine food with garlic and lots of omega-3, a veggie round by omega for bottom feeders, and Hikaris Bio Gold. Grind away ? takes but a few seconds. This way you are not restricted to the few sinking types out there ? the food world is yours for the asking. I had to buy a small refrig to hold mine when my other half threatened he with living in the dog house with the fish if the fish products did not leave the family refrigerator. (refrigerate your products for freshness , etc ). Now; take a few cooked peas. The moisture of the peas will help bind the stuff. I take a minute to mush and mush until the pea particles are fairly small. If I need any additional moisture I add a drop or 2 of Viti-Chem ? the amino acid supplement ? great stuff, safe, and cheap ? and goes a long way. You will find the consistency that is right for you. Make little torpedoes of the mush. Torpedoes seem to be ?sucked ? up easier. As well; some goldies tend to take balls of mush and actually work them around in their mouths until the ball cannot be broken up and they will spit it out in an hour or so. The consistency should be enough to hold under water but soft enough for them to palletize. It is easy to tell . Remember now ? you have ground this stuff up. The amount you feed them of the little torpedoes is more concentrated in food than just feeding granules. Small amounts are not necessarily small. By grinding you allow easy digestion and faster breakdown of particles ? by exponentially increasing the surface area of each particle to the digestion process and becoming accessible. Therefore ? you tend to generate less waste of unused product going thru their system and coming out the other end. Also the mush additive of the Peas is great. The mushing allows any future additives of antibacterial or antiparasidic granules without altering your feeding habits ? it is harder for them to separate the medicine from the food ? and they will do this like a dog does with a pill in a piece of hamburger. I guarantee you.
  4. Some of you may or may not have seen this article.............. Source: The Times Date: 01 October 2003 Goldfish pass memory test By Mark Henderson, Science Correspondent IT IS time for the scales to fall from our eyes: scientists have claimed not only that goldfish have a memory span of up to three months, but that they can also tell the time. The fish, previously believed to have a memory of just a few seconds, can distinguish between different times of day and can also be taught to follow a routine, according to research. Scientists at Plymouth University have successfully trained the fish to collect food at particular times of day, showing the popular notion of the three-second memory to be very fishy indeed. The findings add to a growing body of evidence that fish are much more sentient and intelligent than had generally been assumed. Recent research has suggested that fish feel pain when they are caught on a hook, can be manipulative and socially aware, have long memories and are able to recognise their shoal-mates. The research, led by Phil Gee of Plymouth University, has added a sophisticated body clock to the piscine intellect. In his experiment, goldfish were placed in a bowl in which they were fed only when they pressed a lever. The fish rapidly learnt that pressing the lever produced a food reward. Once they had been trained in this way, the researchers set up the lever to work for just one hour a day. The fish soon became wise to this, and learnt to press the lever at the same time every day to feed. ?The fish worked out that if they hit the lever around that time, they would get some food,? Dr Gee said. ?Their activity around the lever increased enormously just before the set hour when their food was dispensed. ?But then if no food came out, they stopped pressing the lever when the hour was up. It shows that they are probably able to adapt to changes in their circumstances, like any other small animals and birds.? The study could have implications for fish farming, Dr Gee said. He suggests that it should be possible to train trout and salmon to swim to feeding stations on certain signals, making it easier for farmers to monitor and harvest their stock.
  5. I concurr with Daryl on the "ammonia chips " comment I had made with only reservation dealing with not knowing your Bio filter status - if you have one it has a tendenccy to accumulate the materials to contimue the ammonium production needs of the bacteria. Thus the reason why Eheim recommends the removal of the prefilters on the wet/dry filter systems. Thereby creating their own ammonia source; allowing the chemical activity to absorb the excess amounts - Resins and alike are never perfect at removing all toxins they are meant to remove.
  6. That is why the suggestion for water wysteria and alike - oh and I agree - Plants with Goldies - a two edged sword - a great way to supplement their daily veggie intake - and plants generally only affect the Nitrate uptake - the C3 status of most aquatic plants does give concern to those tanks thickly planted, like mine is, during night time but noit a concern enough for harm during the 5 hour period. It is a way to get the kids to eat their veggies and habve found excellant way to elongate their - home alone period....
  7. Note the periods when they do - some cases do infer oxygen deprevation, Hoewver; In many cases it has been found as a way that they clear particulate matter from their gill surfaces. Especially late in the evening or an hour or so after eating - the little aqua pigglets......I have found that - in attempting to feed mush containing an antiparasidic medication (had an infection long ago) They are able to seperate the material like a dog sniffs out a pill in hamburger - the little sneaks - as a result - they tended to have more particulate matter go out thru the gill and thus, actually , had a tendancy to yawn - scientists suggest the yawn does a flushback - and the wide mouth, resaulying freom the yawn (as can be seen in goldies not only openming their mouths wide but expending their lip area (as they have a tendency to do when sucking the22 out of the bottom of the tank) opens the inner cavity wider (noticed when yawning on the underside of the mouth area) the quick closure then forces the larger trhan normal volume of water past the gill area to flush out those stuck unseen particles.
  8. This tends to be an occurance in some of mine as well - mine actually occurs when IO allow water temperature changes to fluxuate in the fall (to mimmick nature). it is like a molting process. You may see some off white material being squeezed out between the folds as well. If the material is a brite white then iot is a possibility of cottony wool disease - but yours sounds like more of the growth spurt and molt that I have seen
  9. You mean to tell me you have not whipped your aquapuppies into shape and regimented their daily cleaning after poop chores??? LOL
  10. This is similar to when an Oranda has so much wen growth he can no longer see - but you would be facinated at their ability to sense food and maintain themselves without a lot of extra care.
  11. I have been told that wheat bran and soy grits may cause a few types of gastroiuntestinal problems in fish - I have been told that is one of the reasons soy if not in fish products
  12. I understood that her tap water was the well water - meaning she draws her tap water from the well- am I reading her dialogue wrong?
  13. I think it is time for you to build an aquarium farm so that you can take in all the rescues and not have to act so clueless - I am sur ethe employee now feels their are other "fish patrol " agents out there - a sequel to the ASPCA animal program...lol
  14. especially ditto on the day 5 wait time period - You do not say if there are plants in the tank - I would remove the plants in that there naturalk degradation of leaves and such can sometimes reduce water quality if not tended - you do not mention anything about your water filtration setup. I would do a once -over fresh whatever if it is a canister system. For the maid - I have left one of those "day plastic pillboxes" for someone - they go to the day and give whatever is in that days section - that way it does not leave it to them to determine how much to feed - you know your goldies can be little beggers.... as well as Daryls suggestion on the Amquel - and if you have canisters - drop a small bag of ammonia absorption resin in with the replacement carbon and ammonia chips. The power outage thing - there are - drsfostersmith.com sells them - backup unitized power air pumps with their own built in charging system -seriously very cheap - that would be the most important to keep going - My system has a 24 hour backup - - not for your situation though
  15. That is why I recommended the stability product - it takes a lot of the "6 weeks of hard work" out of the cycling of the tank....
  16. Do they allow it ordered online like from drsfostersmith?
  17. Well - to me - the pH is the most important at about 40.00 dollars - the product is about $6.00
  18. LOL - well do you watch a soap opera summary program or the soap opera (I do not watch soap operas)- you are probably one of those students that used CRIB NOTES to make book reports - shame on you - LOL Well just to let you know, just like the dream sequence and wake up to reality twist in Dallas, you missed the juicest part!!!
  19. IN the product section I had recommended a cycle product called Stability by Seacham - if you can get it use it - changing the water often is fine but your system does not have tiime to stabalize - if the spikes occur offset them in some cases with - say a safe Kordon ammonia and Nitrite remover product that binds and converts ammonia into harmless forms - this is temporary - not a permanant solution - but it does allow you to start breathing and prevent yourself from passing out in what I call "the fish crazies". I know - 8 years ago I should have been on Nitro when I had my first 55-gallon to starve off the chance of a heart attack because of these evil monsters (I love the little aquapuppies). Back to the Kardon; it is probably one of the safest ammonia and nitrite products on the market - - You mentioned that the pH was neutral - from your well assuming you mean 7.2 you did not say what fish you have - for some that is difficult to take - also you say nothing about the buffering capacity - Goldies prefer the mineral content a little on the up side = depending on your mineral content of your water - Matrineland makes excellant mineral supplements to use when changing your water. The quantities are quite small; but the results are evident. Keep your cool in your process of getting a management process in place and so will your fish - Don't forget- they are letting you do all the driving. Eric
  20. In the tank section someone asked what causes a pH crash - well I have never seen - actually - that brought up here before - in that maybe not a lot of people experience the situation. I thought my reply may generate some discussion and bring to light other hobbyists experiences in the hopes of fending off death to other swimming pets. Please excuse the fact that I tend to be very detailed - but I always assume the reading audience included the newest of the new goldbie owner..... My answer was as follows - Well; I do not know how much you actually know about pH, for example; how buffering capacity regulates such things as the speed of change or pH relationships to (or effects of/on or by) ion exchange, absorption material or resins used in the filters, or the actual multiplicative characteristics, relative values and meaning of pH movement from - say - 7.6 to 7.5, on and on. I will give you an example of a unique, yet actually happened, hobbyist created pH crash. It was unintentional and he survived (most of the fish and the hobbyist) and learned from the experience. Jay was over his Rena filters - they were hard to prime, were inefficient because they allowed blowby, the unsealed heads allowed leakage thru the wire connection over time (caused by backpressure problems relater to a UV and a chiller). He replaced the canisters with another brand. Now he had two XP3 units sitting unused - what to do with them. Then he got a great idea. By adapting his siphon tube to the intake end and hanging his output line on the side of the tank with the already supplied variable out put valve - he had a great - I mean great - siphon cleaning system. No more buckets of water from the siphon to dump. and the setup could stay under the tank in the cabinet. One weekend he tests the setup out - of course there was no need to remove the fish as long as he was careful not to suck them up in the intake siphon. No replacement water needed preparing since the water was going right back into the tank..... He did a great cleaning job- the only result was a just slightly cloudy visual aspect of the water - similar to when tanks have a mineral suspension or alike - nothing to worry about he thought. Within an hour or so - all the fish were at the top; heavily gasping for air. Frantically he called me - as I got there he had already done what I asked - tested the pH. His normal test was always around 7.8. this test showed 6.0 I actual reran the test myself thinking he was to excited and frantic to do it right - but it was right on 6.0. I pulled out my digital reader - it showed less - I was surprised they were not all dead. In fact - one of the fish - who had just expelled solid waste - his pooh was changing color as I watched it - to a bright blue. I had only seen this one time before - when a fellow hobbyist call me one late night to come over when his Oranda started to float upside down (his $125.00 Oranda) -- in cleaning his new tank - he prefiltered his tank water thru a "PUR" filtration water gallon container to keep to a clean water concept (or so he thought)- for all intensive purposes - demineralizing the water and removing - basically - all buffer capacity. He must have been thinking that he was cleaning at the Helmsley Hotel or something. Taking drastic immediate action - of course he had no change water prepared - I took a bottle of pH up - which is highly concentrated - and mixed a number of capfuls in the tank water while he prepared change water - by the time he had the change water ready - I had brought the pH - after 13 capfuls into a 55 gallon tank (I am shocked that they could stand that amount of reagent concentrated in the water). I also added a few capfuls of Hydrogen Peroxide to try and supplement whatever oxygen they were up taking across the gills - and by this time you could tell it was decreasing quickly. And - no - he did not have another tank to put them in - and I thought of dropping them in a bucket of prepared water - which he did not have - but I thought that shock would have definitely finished them off..... At this point you do not know which would kill them first - The sudden drop of pH, the binding of the oxygen in the water so that it was unavailable to the gills (them sucking at the top of the water, not simply just under the surface, would be like us going to drink from a lake to make up for oxygen deprivation in the atmosphere) the bodys change of osmotic potential and movement across membranes, or the sudden rise (making the secondary shock like a Disneyworld roller coaster). Of course the reaction to the sudden rise would be dependant on how long they were in the initial 6.0 level - sort of like exposure time to a radioactive source and rads in accumulation time. Before we even started to change the water; they started going further away from the surface. The ones that started turning upside down - one did not make it - in fact he was expired in the first minute after I got there - The others were starting to revert to normal. We implemented a full water change - a slow one using a gravity feed with a small hose of one gallon to every minute while we pulled 40 gallons off at one time. This may not seem like the ultimate conversion and reparation for some people here- leaving high density particulate water with the good - but it was a fast guessing game, time did not allow article reviews on-line - it was a half educated guess at what would not kill them; while diluting the problem water condition; while leaving what was left of cycled water and what the fish were accustomed to. There was little time to sit for a focus group study nor did I ever come across this very creative situation. They all showed signs of improvement - but then you have to go thru the destressing exercise - freeze dried foods with peas with some Epsom salts, watching for ich; upping the garlic feed - on and on - What happened? Unlike filters you can buy that are setup the same way; they use micron canister filters to remove the microscopic particulate matter as the water is returned to the tank. In his setup; his filtering system simply used filter pads and carbon. this was contributing to the particulate output by tearing up the bigger particles thru the agitation in the filter. Like taking rocks and pulverizing them into fine sand. By doing so; the activity of naturally occurring decaying process of the larger particulates, was now exponentially increased; as well you have exponentially increased the surface area that is reacting to the breakdown processes. This was supported by the tests of the water for the three evil toxins - Especially the teat that indicated levels that I never saw fish able to survive in before - only because of the short time factor did they survive - his test he did before any cleaning - with the same test kit - showed no trace of ammonia. That is an example of what can cause a "pH crash" - as per your question - many things can - if you do your daily water changes, use caution in standard procedure alterations, and increment and monitor the responses of your tank to filter system changes or upgrades, observe affects of water line work recently done or after storm water quality, as examples - you should never experience a pH crash. Asking what causes a pH crash is like asking the NTSB what causes a plane crash - Yet it is a good question - maybe others will describe some experiences they had to deal with - so I gave you an example of a fish-crash 2006 sequel. Eric
  21. Well; I do not know how much you actually know about pH, for example; how buffering capacity regulates such things as the speed of change, ion exchange, absorption material or resins used in the filters, or the actual multiplicative characteristics, relative values and meaning of pH movement from - say - 7.6 to 7.5, on and on. I will give you an example of a unique, yet actually happened, hobbyist created pH crash. It was unintentional and he survived (most of the fish and the hobbyist) and learned from the experience. Jay was over his Rena filters - they were hard to prime, were inefficient because they allowed blowby, the unsealed heads allowed leakage thru the wire connection over time (caused by backpressure problems relater to a UV and a chiller). He replaced the canisters with another brand. Now he had to XP3 units sitting unused - what to do with them. Then he got a great idea. By adapting his siphon tube to the intake end and hanging his output line on the side of the tank with the already supplied variable out put valve - he had a great - I mean great - siphon cleaning system. No more buckets of water from the siphon to dump. and the setup could stay under the tank in the cabinet. One weekend he tests the setup out - of course there was no need to remove the fish as long as he was careful not to suck them up in the intake siphon. No replacement water needed preparing since the water was going right back into the tank..... He did a great cleaning job- the only result was a just slightly cloudy visual aspect of the water - similar to when tanks have a mineral suspension or alike - nothing to worry about he thought. Within an hour or so - all the fish were at the top; heavily gasping for air. Frantically he called me - as I got there he had already done what I asked - tested the pH. His normal test was always around 7.8. this test showed 6.0 I actual reran the test myself thinking he was to excited and frantic to do it right - but it was right on 6.0. I pulled out my digital reader - it showed less - I was surprised they were not all dead. In fact - one of the fish - who had just expelled solid waste - his pooh was changing color as I watched it - to a bright blue. I had only seen this one time before - when a fellow hobbyist call me one late night to come over when his Oranda started to float upside down (his $125.00 Oranda) -- in cleaning his new tank - he prefiltered his tank water thru a "PUR" filtration water gallon container to keep to a clean water concept (or so he thought)- for all intensive purposes - demineralizing the water and removing - basically - all buffer capacity. He must have been thinking that he was cleaning at the Helmsley Hotel or something. Taking drastic immediate action - of course he had no change water prepared - I took a bottle of pH up - which is highly concentrated - and mixed a number of capfuls in the tank water while he prepared change water - by the time he had the change water ready - I had brought the pH - after 13 capfuls into a 55 gallon tank (I am shocked that they could stand that amount of reagent concentrated in the water). I also added a few capfuls of Hydrogen Peroxide to try and supplement whatever oxygen they were up taking across the gills - and by this time you could tell it was decreasing quickly. And - no - he did not have another tank to put them in - and I thought of dropping them in a bucket of prepared water - which he did not have - but I thought that shock would have definitely finished them off..... At this point you do not know which would kill them first - The sudden drop of pH, the binding of the oxygen in the water so that it was unavailable to the gills (them sucking at the top of the water, not simply just under the surface, would be like us going to drink from a lake to make up for oxygen deprivation in the atmosphere) the bodys change of osmotic potential and movement across membranes, or the sudden rise (making the secondary shock like a Disneyworld roller coaster). Of course the reaction to the sudden rise would be dependant on how long they were in the initial 6.0 level - sort of like exposure time to a radioactive source and rads in accumulation time. Before we even started to change the water; they started going further away from the surface. The ones that started turning upside down - one did not make it - in fact he was expired in the first minute after I got there - The others were starting to revert to normal. We implemented a full water change - a slow one using a gravity feed with a small hose of one gallon to every minute while we pulled 40 gallons off at one time. This may not seem like the ultimate conversion and reparation for some people here- leaving high density particulate water with the good - but it was a fast guessing game, time did not allow article reviews on-line - it was a half educated guess at what would not kill them; while diluting the problem water condition; while leaving what was left of cycled water and what the fish were accustomed to. There was little time to sit for a focus group study nor did I ever come across this very creative situation. They all showed signs of improvement - but then you have to go thru the destressing exercise - freeze dried foods with peas with some Epsom salts, watching for ich; upping the garlic feed - on and on - What happened? Unlike filters you can buy that are setup the same way; they use micron canister filters to remove the microscopic particulate matter as the water is returned to the tank. In his setup; his filtering system simply used filter pads and carbon. this was contributing to the particulate output by tearing up the bigger particles thru the agitation in the filter. Like taking rocks and pulverizing them into fine sand. By doing so; the activity of naturally occurring decaying process of the larger particulates, was now exponentially increased; as well you have exponentially increased the surface area that is reacting to the breakdown processes. This was supported by the tests of the water for the three evil toxins - Especially the teat that indicated levels that I never saw fish able to survive in before - only because of the short time factor did they survive - his test he did before any cleaning - with the same test kit - showed no trace of ammonia. That is an example of what can cause a "pH crash" - as per your question - many things can - if you do your daily water changes, use caution in standard procedure alterations, and increment and monitor the responses of your tank to filter system changes or upgrades, observe affects of water line work recently done or after storm water quality, as examples - you should never experience a pH crash. Asking what causes a pH crash is like asking the NTSB what causes a plane crash - Yet it is a good question - maybe others will describe some experiences they had to deal with - so I gave you an example of a fish-crash sequel. Eric
  22. well first if you are going to give them something that you want vitiman and nutrient rich and accessible by their syste, - think of ground flaxseed - it is loaded with Omega 3 fatty acids that fish need, be careful with overdoing the cariety as it can tend to give them digestion problems - powder frind your dry pellets - pill crushers make that simple. treats are once and a while I alternate 5 high quality pelleted foods, two are chosen per meal activity, fed three times per day with plenty of tank plants for their salad requirements. The dry pellets are ground because many goldies have a tendency to develop impaction of the dry material in their organs because of the relatively long time the food takes to travel thru their system ... The grind powder mushing process includes a generous serving of the flaxseed meal. which are crushed and mushed together with a little garlic oil and a squished pea to meet their veggie requirement. The garlic has been proven essential in immunodeficiency repair and immune system defense support against oipportunists like ICH and Cottony wool disease. If you wish to kick the protein bar as a treat - live crickets are the best action for their inbred natural instincts - careful with tyhe pritein levels as this could cause a cork in the solid wast elimination process - because a common problem with goldies in general tends to be cionstipation; and milk of magnesia does not come in their dosing size - Epson salts is the preferred remedy in those cases. Eric
  23. If you are still taking commentary - may I place my nose in as well as I have 4 - 55 gallon and tweo 75. I am not bragging - in fact- looking back I should have been locked up for being so crazy and intent in this melay of a hobby. Laugh that I; a fifty yr. old man - not only cries at my own fishes death - but turns into a babbling tearwrenched brook when a fish named peaches - Jewels fish died. If you look in the topics about a boy and a red wagon - that happened yesterday to me. How do you explain to a Quin, my 7 year old godchild, that his fish cannot travel in a a four wheel bright red wagon - without water!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and today was the burial I gess those of us that emotionally react to their death should be proud that we, unlike many other people in the world, have - long ago - lost the ability to feel. I say all of this because you did not get just a goldfish - oh no - you had to get an Oranda. probably -in generalizing - one of the most human friendly breeds of the goldfish family. virtually fearless - demanding - expells virtually the same amount of waste that they take in, vocal (making a chirpoing noise at the top of the water), as they age they become very picky, in the early years -before the picky stage - will try to eat an uncooked boot if you place it in the tank, and especially has no respect whatsoever for newly added plantings within his reach. Thats for starters. Now for the bad news LOL - If you purchased two no mix Oranda - Wen fancy tail and all - You will find by the fourth year that the town will be just nicely comfortable for the two of them. Trust me Orandas can steal the show with just two in qa tank. . Here are some suggestions for filtration systems and one UV accessory.and will cover other subjects another time. I like to be thorough as you can see..... Always try to think ahead oin the needs of your aquapuppies - my other half calls them my "evil monsters" because they spit water at him when he walks by. !. If you do not have a U>V> steralizer linked between your punp and the tank www.drsfostersmith.com has inexpensive pricing on almost all pet supplies and have very knowledgeable people on the phone; not just about their company but also the detailed lnowledge about numerous products they carry. U.V. filters are very effective at controlling, not eradicating mind you, numerous types of microscopic opportunists that want a crack at your little darlings. Orandas have somewhat of an added risk; their Wen, as it matures, becomes the consistancy of a human brain. It has the same interwoven tissue charactericts as a brain as well. crevasses develop which have a tendency to become perfect condo's for microbes, especially fungi, that wish to ride around in style. These lamps are essential. wattage and size varies; but they all have charting to make it easy to determine your needs. The bulbs need replacing once every year. 2. everyone has their quirks when it comes to filters. here is the planning catch the UV is a must; and the best way to cause the flow thru in the uv is the use of a canister filtration system. they can take backpressure, and can handle the required flow demand, and the ones I use have a built in primer. In my 55 gallon tanks - each has a 3 basket Eheim professional II equiptment. It is set up with only chemical filtration media. Unlike most filter heads Eheim has no moving parts except for the water impeller. The impeller is driven by a magnetic drive system. As well; the heads are completely sealed. This is a big plus - and worth it I assure you - my experiences with Rena pumps was anything but friendly. they include a variable output flow control. as well; quick disconnects are pretty good at giving a relatively perfect dry seperation so that you can do you r cleaning and such. they include manual prime buttons if reassembly will not follow with prime. Heres the kicker. each 55 has a wet dry filtration system sucklking from the other side of the tank. This 3 basket newly conceived fully enclosed pump is designated for biologiocal filtration only. This is where the 3 types of bacteria needed for the nitrogen cycle continuation shack up. It continously fills and empties the chamber - bathing the bacteria in water and then removing the water to stimulate oxygenation - It bullwhips them into work. It is very quiet and all the basic stats I described for the chem filter are the same here. Why two of them I am sure you ask. Each handles the toxins and waste matter processing in different ways. as well especially with what you foster parented, their liquid and solid output is not evenly released. as well; Plants, (do not deny them natures best past time for them)which should be in every Orandas domain because it is a perfect regulator for their systems processing of foods- Because I swear every Oranda born is born constipated. But that is a subject for another day. they love plants and are being shreaded for meals, food particled will accumulate - If not aware of the problems developed from Ammonia spikes and alike; you could very quickly loose your twins. quick changes in ammonia and nitrite levels intermittantly occur. The chemical filtration absorbtion material is the first absorbtion wall in the tankl defense. When quick changes occur; it takes a few hours for the population of the three types of bacteria to multiply and answer the challange. likened to the surge protrective units sent to Iraq; (so a fish is where Bush got the "Surge" idea) this style of setup acts as a surge protector. However - since the bacterial wet dry system is constantly filling and empty; water is being bathed in air. . having two also protects if one fails while you are away. If you would care to view one of my beloved devils spawn click to the links above - they should give you one example of the unique breed of animal you are claiming responsibility for, I introduce you to the antics of punch- he was in a 28 in these films while we were redesigning his new 55 - as well remember the drsfostersmith website. If you have any questions feel free to message thru this site. Cheers - Eric
  24. I do something mean to thurston; one of the 24hour hungry all the time orandas. i cook the corn and only slit the coen seed skin covering oin one side - it gives him access to some of the meat of the corn but ke will kick it out of his mouth and then take it back in for an hour before he seperates the skin and gets to the meet of the cornseed - it keeps him busy!
  25. I understand the process - and I guess I was being to theoretical about the amount - my sense or derived understanding; that the amount you were detecting was signoifigant. I was not implying that it does not exist. I am aweare of the interaction; the way it sounded - the levels you were detecting were substantial - what were they? By the way - concerning the testing discussions in this thread ......a good crosscheck for those questioning their testkits is to offset the home results with a sample tested at a mmm or vvvv - not necessarily saying there accuracy is any better; but is gives a clear sense of a problem if, say pH hom,e was 8.4 and vvvv was 7.0 . If test water is transported; do not use plastic. It is often that soap and other partially embedded residues, in plastic - can substantially alter the water values by the time you get to the chain store. I have seen this happen a number of times. Eric
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