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Hi, I've used Primafix on three occasions and I'm not sure if it does any good, not for frayed fins/tail rot anyway. It may be Ok for other things.

I used it for a week on my baby moors, well, it seemed to work a bit but one of them didn't like it, swimming with dorsal fin down all week.

I have used it for 3 days in my new tank as one of the new fish had red streaks in it's tail (white tail, very obvious) and a bit of fraying. It has made the red streaks worse and seems to make the tail a pinky colour.

Spotty Junior (calico fantail) also had some fraying in the tail fins so I've used it for 4 days in his little tank. He is the only one in the tank. He is definately not happy and spends a lot of time on the bottom, his tail has developed some red streaks and is definately a pinky colour.

On all these occasions the fish didn't like the medication with signs of fins down. Otherwise, they are eating Ok, etc.

I don't think I will use it anymore for frayed fins or finrot that does not also have fungus. It may work really well on fungus but I haven't had any of that.

ps. I will just treat frayed fins with salt and melafix in the future, it seems to work best. Oh and clean water, very, very clean water.

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hey,

you know, ive often wondered about this. :huh:

pimafix itself, i believe, is meant to be used in conjunction with melafix. i had rather good results with them in helping to cure a small spot of mouth fungus. you know the white fungus that grows on stagnant, uneaten food? well. that what lurch had on his bottom lip. it looked to be a small puncure wound on his lip that got infected because there was a tiny red dot in the middle of the fungal growth. anyway, within 3 days of adding the mela/pima combo, the fuzz disappeared. wether it was the exeedingly clean water, the melafix, the pimafix or a combination of all three that cured it, ill never know.

remember seeing "snake oil" salesmen on the old western movies? well, those bottles that the mela-pima come in remind me of those "tonic" bottles the snake oil salesmen sold. :lol:

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I have used PrimaFix, but only in conjuction with Melefix, also. It was to treat a spot of fungus at an injury point on a shipped fish, along with frayed fins. The fungus disappeared quickly - the fins healed more slowly.

I, also, questioned whether it was the PrimaFix that conquered the fungus or simply good water. As it stood, I was happy with the results, but do not know what actually did the job - the meds, the water or a combination of the three.

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I've used pimafix many times (I had a big bottle!) and my professional opinion is, that it sucks. Don't waste your money! =oP

Seriously, it did nothing, for anything!

Jessica

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Yep, I'll second that. Snake oil is a good description. I can accept that melafix can aid in healing because of the gentle antiseptic quality of tea tree oil but I'm yet to be convinced that oil from the Pimenta racemosa is a magical cure-all. I remember a remark from a fish guru awhile back, "use the stuff by all means, at least the fish will die smelling nice!".

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Data Guru looked up the pimenta racemosa and I took a look at the chemical breakdown myself. Scared the wits right out of me. Essentially its poison! Why anyone would use something thats considered highly toxic, even in trace amounts, to make a medication, is beyond me! :angry:

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Awww, Kathy, let's not be too hasty about the stuff being poisonous. :) Don't forget botox is a neural toxin ;) and a lot of the stuff used for cancer treatments are also highly toxic. Bay rum tree oil is actually used as folk medicine in the west indies. It is more the snake oil sales pitch that is hard to swallow. If you believe half of what they claimed, you won't need any other med forever. :D

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Thank you Captk......

If you have a problem or comment about a product or service, this is definately the place to air it, but try to remember that this is not the place to "bash" products.

If you feel that Primafix does not do the job it claims to do - then that is definately good information to share. It could help another, or at least prevent them from wasting their money.

To label it as "poison" is not what we are about here on this board - and could potentially cause problems.

Thanks, guys! :)

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hey guys... well as for primafix.. I agree with the combo method. I've used both Melafix and Primafix seperately on a few occasions, but i get the best results when I combine the medications.

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Since starting this thread I have had two fish recoveries using the melafix/primafix combination.

One fish had an apparent eye injury. The eye was popped out and looked to be full of pus. After 9 days in the medication I returned the fish to the main tank. It appears the lens covering the eye is gone, the eyeball and eyesocket are still intact though the eyeball is completely white and blind. I believe the medication assisted in preventing the infection becoming systemic or destroying the eye totally so that it dropped off.

Fish 2 exhibited a red swollen patch on it's side, on the skin under the scales. Another fish kept pecking at this sore patch apparently causing a lot of pain as the inflicted fish would roll over and go into stunned mode. I thought this may have been an abscess developing and medicated the fish for 7 days. After day 3 signs of redness were gone and the fish recovered with no further complications.

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ok then. well im about to buy both primafix and melafix as a combination for my panda to see if it helps internally. will i be wasting my money or not because this stuff is expensive over here and i dont want to waste my money on something thats either toxic or not going to work? :blink:

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If your fish has serious internal infections or parasites or injuries, I would not think that Melefix/Primafix would really be the treatment of choise - it is a very mild antibiotic - useful mostly for preventing secondary infections from setting up in external wounds and such. I do not think it would do too much for internal infections.

If you have no other options - then give it a try - it does have antibiotic action for a fish. At the least it will prevent anything else from taking hold on your already stressed and weakened panda - and perhaps permit the fish to fight off the more serious problem itself.

I am so sorry about your panda..... :(:cry1

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ok daryl thanks for the info and for the nice words about bamboo. i cant think of anything else that might even help.

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I realize I'm far from being a goldfish guru, but I have been working a lot with Melafix and the like lately. I havn't actually used Pimafix to treat anything yet, but...if the active ingredients are as they are stipulated on the bottles...Melafix and Pimafix are not much different and neither is specifically anti-fungal or anti-bacterial, but rather they are a little bit of both. I'm investigating the two medications to the end of finding a home-made snail/invert-safe mixture that serves a more general purpose, and Pimafix and Melafix are both 1% solutions with an active ingredient that is largely Eugenol.

Pharmeceutical grade Tea Tree Oil (I really hope this is what Melafix is using) is 30% eugenol. The same stuff from Pimenta is 70% eugenol--again, Pharmeceutical grade, so if Pimafix isn't using good quality stuff then who knows what's in it. Anyway, both plant extracts have a bunch of other "helper" chemicals that act as catalysts, although the eugenol is still what's doing the majority of the work. It makes sense to me that, given the difference in eugenol concentration, under certain circumstances Pimafix could have a bad effect on fish where Melafix might not.

I put (ok, spilled is a better word) tea tree oil on a fairly decent-sized cut at one point, and my reaction was about like this: :krazy: that stuff burns like crazy...before numbing the area of course. Even a diluted solution burns a bit if you put enough on. I could easily imagine that if a fish had a raw patch that was not necessarily infected with the bugs that Pimafix is designed to kill off, Pimafix could make the red color worse due to skin irritation--even if the fish wasn't really feeling it. This is the problem I am trying to fend off with snails...they are basically one big mucus membrain, and that is where it can burn the worst (if you are dubious, try putting some tea tree oil in your nose...though I don't recommend it).

I wouldn't rule out Pimafix as evil just yet though...after all, if you havn't done a biopsy and don't know 100% what the problem is, there is some degree of guessing involved. And, when guessing is involved, the medication is not at fault if it is administered in the wrong situation. Because Pimafix seems to have more of the burny stuff in it than Melafix does, I am guessing it could also be a lot easier to OD on it as well. You can anesthetize snails with too much Melafix (not pretty)...I'm not sure what would happen to a fish under the same circumstances. It would probably have a similar effect, though the same amount might not make the fish conk out entirely. 3x+ concentration of Melafix makes snails go limp with excessive sliming, indicating that they are suffering from tissue irritation while they are "out cold."

Anyway, that's just my two cents...and no, I have not specifically tried Pimafix on a wounded fish yet, but I have been doing a lot of research in the subject and that's the stuff I've found out. Pimafix is the next thing on my list to test after I get done messing around with the current stuff I'm working on.

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I treated my fish on primafix alone, and it cured my oranda & pearlscale within 4 days. He had fungus & fin rot, the fin rot took a little longer, but the fin got better. so far the 2 fishes are doing well. I did the ordinary water changes & removed the carbon...So, i assume it helped? I did not use melafix in conjunction with primafix....So, that was my experience.

Kamster :rolleyes:

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I have used both on several occasions, and have had good results. I have not used either one by its self. I thought you were suppose to use them together for best results. I guess I'm trying to say is that I'm pretty pleased with it, and would recommend it. One thing I don't like is that I get a headache everytime I use it. I coud do without that. :rolleyes:

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if you use it just separate, theres like... no result. but if you mixed them, you can see faster results, depends on how you use it -- just dont overuse it!

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Well I used Melafix on it's own if it's a matter of healing torn fins or something but Primafix on it's own - my fish don't like it.

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The manufacturer of Melafix makes the following claim, but does not identify which universities have conducted the studies. Controlled scientific studies are needed to determine the true effectivness of Primafix and Melafix. I searched the net, saw some other fish owners have attempted to conduct studies but it is not clear if variables were sufficiently controlled and results do not seem to be reproduceable. I was not able to locate the actual results of any University studies, not to say that they don't exist, but I did not find them on the net in the 30 minutes or so that I searched.

I have used both primfix and melafix in the past and have not been disappointed, but I certianly had no contol.

"University studies and extensive laboratory tests showed that MelaFix is an effective anti-bacterial remedy for pond fish. MelaFix also caused rapid repair of damaged fish tissue and fins. New growth was seen in as little as four days of treatment. The evidence led to the granting of a United States patent. International patents are pending."

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