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Finally found a food my fish doesn't float on, koi clay!


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Remember when I told you guys that Wakka tends to "bottom sit" (with erect dorsal etc) a lot, and in the evening he starts to flip upside down and slowly floats up to the surface unless he wedges himself underneath something? Look at this image of sadness

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j269/EileenGalvin/wakkadown.jpg

He hasn't done that in a week! Now he spends most of the time a bit above the middle of the tank without any balance or floating problems.

How I did that, you ask?

Long story short: I ran out of gel food a month or so ago, and was looking for a place to sell agar agar. So far I have only found Earthfare and they charge an insane price of more than $ 8 for one small package of agar agar :help:

So Alex was so lovely to offer sending me some along with some of his koi clay, as soon as he would get his own order delivered.

In the mean time I had to feed the fish something. My Omega One pellets already were open for over 6 months, so I had to go out and buy some pellets. I decided to pick up something different and grabbed a small jar of Aqueon goldfish pellets.

I got Alex' package about a week ago - again, thank you so very much! :) :) :)

I have not had the chance to make gel food with the agar agar yet, but aside from adding koi clay to the tanks; since last weekend I am also soaking the aqueon pellets in a light solution ofkoi clay!!

Wakka has not been floating for a second since I feed them this, neither did he flip upside down. Even Vanille seems to have much more control over her balance, although she still seems a bit "lighter" than the other fish. I wouldn't doubt that her long tail makes her swim funny a bit though.

Anyway, I will definitely add some of the koi clay to the agar agar gel food which I will be making this weekend :D

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Ooh. Great news, Fang!

The only thing I did with my koi clay has been to wet it and roll it into a ball. Then I added to my QT tank. :)

I will be trying both the koi clay in gel food and koi clay + pellet food!

:)

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what is koi clay??? I have never heard of this before. Puff has been a little light on his feet so to speak recently so I am very interested in anything that might prevent him from looking like a capsized boat when he swims.

EDIT: posted at the same time as shell :)

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yes, please share! Maya is such an easy target for the boys when she's floaty... :no:

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Here is a pretty good website that talks about it.

http://www.koiclay.com/

Shakaho is also another person who is a big proponent of using Koi clay, and various members of this forum have used this in the past, including Koko. I hope both will comment :)

If anyone needs help ordering this, let me know.

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OH!!! Can I have a pic of what it looks like? I am totally going to order that koi food with the clay in it now!

In Europe it is sold as "pond mineral" at koi-med.de, same one who makes and sells prazi . But you do you that the clay in it is just the same stuff in Kitty litter sold at supermarket? and can also be cooked and then used as planting material too.

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I remember when this subject was brought up earlier. I was interested then and now from what you guys are saying this is definitely something I have to order.

When I clicked on "to purchase" my computer timed out. So I don't know yet how expensive or how much we have to order. But this seems something that most all goldfish would benefit from. I think so many of the problems we encounter with our pet goldfish is related to what we're feeding them beside water quality being an issue. Oerba, thanks for telling of your observations, and Alex for following through and getting koi clay and trying it.

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that the clay in it is just the same stuff in Kitty litter sold at supermarket? and can also be cooked and then used as planting material too.

Yes, this is what "turned me off" on the subject the first time. I remember that people used to try to keep their cats and specially kittens from having any litter that had sodium bentonite in it. It is the stuff that makes cat litter clumping, I think......

Inhaling it or eating it was possibly dangerous for cats. as least that is what was thought.

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The kitty litter stuff, as I understand it, has chemicals/smells added to it and is not as pure as the koi clay that is used for fish. I definitely would NOT use the kitty litter.

Kaytee, after shipping, I paid about $32 for 4 pounds. This amount should last quite a long time :)

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I put it in my food,when I remember it. I add it to the tanks too-when I think of it............

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I always add koi clay to my gel food and i put some on the tank after every water change :) I love that stuff!!

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Koi clay is quite different from kitty litter. They have the same primary component, but different form and purity. I use Special Kitty, which is a cheap plain clay litter, for potting aquatic plants. Some of the granules of kitty litter will go into suspension in the water, but the stuff has been fired a bit so some of it stays solid no matter how long you leave it in the water.

Koi clay is specially selected for it's mineral content, is food-quality (yes, people eat it), and very finely ground. If you pour a spoonful of this into your tank, you will see a cloud of suspended clay spread through the water. Within a half hour it will settle out, taking impurities with it. Your water will sparkle.

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Koi clay is quite different from kitty litter. They have the same primary component, but different form and purity. I use Special Kitty, which is a cheap plain clay litter, for potting aquatic plants. Some of the granules of kitty litter will go into suspension in the water, but the stuff has been fired a bit so some of it stays solid no matter how long you leave it in the water.

Koi clay is specially selected for it's mineral content, is food-quality (yes, people eat it), and very finely ground. If you pour a spoonful of this into your tank, you will see a cloud of suspended clay spread through the water. Within a half hour it will settle out, taking impurities with it. Your water will sparkle.

That is absolutely true. If it wasn't for the slightly stained glass of my (used craigslist) tank, the water would be sparkling. Seeing it in person and knowing what my water looks like, I can definitely see the difference though :)

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Well, you guys convinced me. I added 1/2 teaspoon to the 55 gallon. It is now totally cloudy. I will report back in a few hours. :)

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Well, you guys convinced me. I added 1/2 teaspoon to the 55 gallon. It is now totally cloudy. I will report back in a few hours. :)

I'm so interested to hear what you have to say, Alex. And thanks for the info about price, etc. This def sounds like something I need to get.

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Is there a reason why adding this to food would help with floaties? (what's the theory behind it I guess) I am very intrigued. I wish you could buy a smaller amount!

Alex, when you said you rolled it in a ball and put it in the QT, why? Is that just to get it into the water or do they eat it?? I read the link, but am still a little confused as to what it is supposed to do exactly. :)

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I just read the info on the koi clay website -- but I still don't understand how it works. It says that it "aids digestion" and helps "remove toxins from the body." Sounds good, but what makes it help with SBD? Does it make the food move through them more quickly or something?

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Is there a reason why adding this to food would help with floaties? (what's the theory behind it I guess) I am very intrigued. I wish you could buy a smaller amount!

Alex, when you said you rolled it in a ball and put it in the QT, why? Is that just to get it into the water or do they eat it?? I read the link, but am still a little confused as to what it is supposed to do exactly. :)

I just read the info on the koi clay website -- but I still don't understand how it works. It says that it "aids digestion" and helps "remove toxins from the body." Sounds good, but what makes it help with SBD? Does it make the food move through them more quickly or something?

Great questions. I've been wondering all this myself.

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Is there a reason why adding this to food would help with floaties? (what's the theory behind it I guess) I am very intrigued. I wish you could buy a smaller amount!

Alex, when you said you rolled it in a ball and put it in the QT, why? Is that just to get it into the water or do they eat it?? I read the link, but am still a little confused as to what it is supposed to do exactly. :)

Bentonite clay was discovered in 1961 to be to absorb a lot of toxins. The absorbed toxins are then passed out of the body in the poop. Koi clay is also a great flocculant, so it works to clarify your water, and precipating the impurities in the water out of solution. There are also trace minerals in the clay, which is helpful to have in the water.

I just read the info on the koi clay website -- but I still don't understand how it works. It says that it "aids digestion" and helps "remove toxins from the body." Sounds good, but what makes it help with SBD? Does it make the food move through them more quickly or something?

RD, at least according to wikipedia, bentonite clay has the ability to kill bacteria in petri dish, and these include E. coli, Pseudomonas, and MRSA staph. It's thought to be able to do so by stimulating growth of antibiotic producing bacteria. (I will have to dig into the scientific literature more, and will write up a proper report on it when I am done.) I think that if it does help with SBD, and it seems like it does, this may be one of the reasons why.

Shakaho, can you add to this, since I know you know tons more than I on this. :)

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Alex... I added one teaspoon to my 50 gallon tank. (the stuff you so kindly gave me) It was really cloudy but man, nice and clear later and the fish seemed happy. Especially Sushi :thumb:

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I just read the info on the koi clay website -- but I still don't understand how it works. It says that it "aids digestion" and helps "remove toxins from the body." Sounds good, but what makes it help with SBD? Does it make the food move through them more quickly or something?

I honestly have no clue. It's just something I observed and am very pleased with. It reminds me a bit of Kulukan's story about the massive poop from the floaty fish. I wonder if the koi clay somehow helps to remove "leftovers" and somehow this helped with his SBD?

EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't see Alex' post up there. That explains quite a lot, I think! :D

Edited by Oerba Yun Fang

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Hi,

I was interested in this awhile back.....but got confused as to how much to add to my tank, then i got confused with all the different types of clay; sodium or calcium, external & internal, different brands etc

i got the book and read it ....very basic

http://www.amazon.co...21630233&sr=8-3

then the closeist i could get was from http://www.ebay.co.u...=item3a660c9e31

still confused, so have left it.

would like to use it, but which type and amount to add.

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