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Why Goldfish Need The Space


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While I'm not encouraging anyone to use less than 10-gallons per goldfish, I just thought this video was a simply amazing way to show why goldfish need SO MUCH room!!

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Goldfish need 10 gallons so they can grow, if goldfish are put in anything smaller they can become stunted and problems can occur.

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That Video is a perfect example of why goldfish need so much room, did you see how hard that fish was breathing, there wasnt enough o2 for him at all, let alone to turn around........

15-20 gals is the right amount :D

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15-20 gals is the right amount :D

It's the absolute minimum amount. 30g or more preferably.

Adding an extra 5 gallons to that fish's 10g wouldn't alleviate its situation by much. I can imagine the owner of that fish is quite proud of it and it appears to be healthy, but it hurts me to see it struggling to breath like it's doing in such a small amount of water relative to its size. A fish's O2 requirement increases exponentially as its body mass does too. It needs much more surface area.

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15-20 gals is the right amount :D

It's the absolute minimum amount. 30g or more preferably.

Adding an extra 5 gallons to that fish's 10g wouldn't alleviate its situation by much. I can imagine the owner of that fish is quite proud of it and it appears to be healthy, but it hurts me to see it struggling to breath like it's doing in such a small amount of water relative to its size. A fish's O2 requirement increases exponentially as its body mass does too. It needs much more surface area.

I agree Hun, but this is just to start with, some people if you tell them that something so small gets to 8-12" long they don't believe you, I think this video is perfect. :D

and yep 20 gals per fish is a nice start :D

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It sure doesn't help when I walk into my lfs and see 3 inch fantails with a sign on the tank saying 'Jumbo Fantails'. Of course they are 'jumbo' compared to the smaller 'Large Fantails' in the next tank which were 2 inch.

This is highly misleading to newbies, 'jumbo' inferring they are bigger than normal goldfish instead of just being the wee babies they actually are. I can't ever imagine an lfs labelling a 3 inch baby Oscar as 'jumbo'!

NB. Not the lfs where I get my goldies from, where they would label them as 'Small'.

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my lfs sells fish by their mesurment in cm, so a 5 cm goldfish would be sold as big even though he still has alot of growing to do, so, if a little kid comes into the store, he would most likely get one of the 5 cm fish and put him into a bowl

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It sure doesn't help when I walk into my lfs and see 3 inch fantails with a sign on the tank saying 'Jumbo Fantails'. Of course they are 'jumbo' compared to the smaller 'Large Fantails' in the next tank which were 2 inch.

This is highly misleading to newbies, 'jumbo' inferring they are bigger than normal goldfish instead of just being the wee babies they actually are. I can't ever imagine an lfs labelling a 3 inch baby Oscar as 'jumbo'!

NB. Not the lfs where I get my goldies from, where they would label them as 'Small'.

so true!! when i bought my pearlscale he was in a tank with bubble eyes and ranchus labelled 'Large' even though none were bigger than 2 inches!! they were just 'large' compared to the 1/2 inch babies they sell for ?2.99!

also when i asked if they were labelled right, they said 'yeah they are big for they type of fish' and i was like :yikes a 2inch ranchu is not large!!!!

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wow. thats sad to watch. poor thing is gulping for what ever little oxygen is left.

perfect exsample to proove that gold fish need a bare minimal of 10 gallons.

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15-20 gals is the right amount :D

It's the absolute minimum amount. 30g or more preferably.

Adding an extra 5 gallons to that fish's 10g wouldn't alleviate its situation by much. I can imagine the owner of that fish is quite proud of it and it appears to be healthy, but it hurts me to see it struggling to breath like it's doing in such a small amount of water relative to its size. A fish's O2 requirement increases exponentially as its body mass does too. It needs much more surface area.

I agree Hun, but this is just to start with, some people if you tell them that something so small gets to 8-12" long they don't believe you, I think this video is perfect. :D

and yep 20 gals per fish is a nice start :D

don't mean to up the ante- but for the type of swimmers Oranda are and the aggressive tendencies of Alpha Male - I find 28 Gallons per Lionshead quite practical - only problem is that now you are a hort. specialist in plants - the fish become secondary!

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That's a whole other story Hun, what we are trying to get across to people is that a plain tank of fish (no plants, ornaments or such) should have the min of 20-30 gals of water if you want them to be healthy and big......

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That's a whole other story Hun, what we are trying to get across to people is that a plain tank of fish (no plants, ornaments or such) should have the min of 20-30 gals of water if you want them to be healthy and big......

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agreed- - I just cannot understand how 2- let alone three - Goldies can survive in a 10 gallon tank- any shift in ammonia- etc- even slight - is so much more dramatic and dangeroius to the Goldies health- in a thirty gallon at least you have some buffer time to catch a spike in ammonia or whatever- - what I was inferring - LOl regarding the plants comment and such- was the fact that it becomes a snowball going down the mountain-side- ie before I realized it- and I started with a 10 gallon "biosphere" AHHHHHH what stupid fool puts a filter in the bopttom center of the tank - that 1 Oranda could possibly die from - especially a - at that time - new fish keeper- not haviong my feeding habits under control- the Bio- activity - under control - etc- and I thought I had it bad with just 1 in a 10 gallon for a week until I upgraded, and upgraded, and still am upgrading lol-

Eric

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Oh no's and I thought I was giving mine lots of room with five in a 75g. Wonder how long before I have to give up a fish for its own good? :cry1

Maybe if I start saving 10 bucks a week, if Ill have enough for a larger tank by then. :unsure: Ya right me save money. :krazy: And the tank would have to go where the 75g is and Id have to sell the 75g. I have no more room. Not so sure my floor can hold a bigger tank either. Well have to talk it over with my hubby.

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poor fish :( . the owner have to get a bigger tank. beside, wonder what he did to the other two goldie. how could a fish grow 'that' big in such a small tank! :(

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Um, wasn't that a different fish from the three they shown in the beginning? I find it hard to believe that a fish that big and healthy was kept primarily in that tank. I think it was done for shock value or to make a point. I do not think that the owner actually kept such a large, healthy looking fish in that small tank long enough for it to get that big. Wouldn't the odds be that it would have died before reaching that size or been stunted and sick? That is a beautiful fish and must have been taken better care of than that for a lot of years to reach that size.

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That last fish is a totally different one than the three babies in the first few moments of the movie, IMO. I think that might have been done to show just how big a goldie can get, and what kind of room it needs. It is my hope that the fish at the end is actually from a larger tank, and was simply put into the ten gallon for a size comparison.

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I emailed this to my boyfriends mother...The one who I rescued the 13 commons from. She had them all in a 15 gallon tank! Sadly I was there for dinner today and she had 13 common fry in a half gallon betta tank. :( No filtration just a small air pump. As she sat there and said see they don't need the ridiculous 150 tank you have they are doing just fine. I offered her my 20 & 15 gallon tanks and filters, I know they weren't big enough but they were better then being jammed into a half gallon of water she declined. I sat there staring at these poor little things so small (less then an inch) without a chance. :( I tried to explain several times, she wanted to hear none of it. To her 'they are just goldfish'. *sigh*

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Huh? She got MORE fish? Why does she keep appearing with goldfish in such tiny conditions? They don't even look nice in dirty unfiltered tanks. *bleh*

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Huh? She got MORE fish? Why does she keep appearing with goldfish in such tiny conditions? They don't even look nice in dirty unfiltered tanks. *bleh*

She gave me 'all of the fish in her pond'. Apparently that wasn't true, she kept the smallest of the fry for her herself & apparently left even more in the pond to freeze over the winter. Because I didn't think someone would do that I never looked in the pond to see if there were any others, sadly. They are so small, I feel so sad for them. :(

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She gave me 'all of the fish in her pond'. Apparently that wasn't true, she kept the smallest of the fry for her herself & apparently left even more in the pond to freeze over the winter. Because I didn't think someone would do that I never looked in the pond to see if there were any others, sadly. They are so small, I feel so sad for them. :(

What if the pond fish don't die? What if they just hit hibernation and survive? :D Maybe you can convince her that having large HEALTHY fish is something much more lovely than dirty half-dead ones in a bowl?

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Part of the problem is, I think, that most people never get to see BIG goldfish, never see their true potential size. They go into pet stores, see that the goldfish is labeled "jumbo" or "large", and think that this is it size wise. And they keep thinking, well if that is large, or jumbo, and it isn't growing anymore, it looks awefully ridicoulous in a bigger tank, so they buy smaller ones.

At vvvv, for example, they have the fish labeled as "needs 20 ggl minimum", so that is a first step. However, if the employee is ill educated on goldfish, people rather are going to listen to him, than take notice of the 20 gl recommendation. Unless they really SEE for themselves how big a goldfish is going to get, of course.

I took my biggest 2 orandas to my daughter's anual fair at school, since I knew they would give away feeder fish as prices. Most parents, or kids for that matter, weren't aware at all how big their prize is going to get, and I bet that the pet store across the street made a killing on selling tanks that particular day. Its all a matter of "seing is believing".... :)

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I am so so soooo glad my boyfriend talked me into getting SMALL fish!

He convinced me that it would be a joy to see them grow, thank goodness. I really wanted one of the bigger fish the petstore had (about 2.5" in bodylength) and I really wanted it in a goldfish bowl.

Fortunately I talked to this employee at vvvv (you hear really bad things about bigbox store fish employees but this guy was great) and he practically begged me not to get a goldfish bowl and told me the evils of the bowl and told me there was no way I could put a big fish in a little bowl, so we got a little 1" fantail and put it in a two gallon tank with a filter/air pump. In my defense I've never really had pets and wasn't convinced the goldfish wasn't going to die so I didn't want to invest lots of money into a futurely dead fish. I promised my fish if he lived I'd buy him a new tank on his six month birthday. But he started to get sad and inactive so after 4 months of living in a studio apartment I bought him a nice new 10 gallon house with a good triple filter and a 6"x1.5" rectangular bubble making thing-a-ma-bob.

Unfortunately the new big tank was so empty and I just wanted to buy some fish food at the store and I ended up leaving with two new goldfish, a black moore and an oranda. I realize this is not ideal but I only have about 3.5" of bodylength (not including tails) between the three fish. Am I a terrible pet owner? They're babies and I'm totally willing to upgrade the tank when they put on some more weight and I've got a little more cashmoney (but I'm definetly not feeding them pro-gold in the meantime, haha).

I was joking with the employee at the store that I don't know what I'm going to do when they get that big (pointing at goldfish that were about 3.5" long each) and the person said that I would be fine in a ten gallon tank! Then he said I could have FIVE goldfish that size in a ten gallon tank!!!!

I am not the mother t. of goldfish but I'm not evil either! Hopefully he doesn't work the fish department very often because I know better than that but I'm sure lots of people don't.

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