Well. I have 1 fry left after once having around 15. One morning I woke up and all but 6 were gone. Then, I cleaned the tank out and returned them. 4 were left by the next day and then the next day showed me only one. One little pond fish fry. I named him Cojiro (after the blue Cucco from Legend of Zelda <333) I hope he pulls through for me!!!! He's had a rough start but I think I have things under control now!!! Picture tonight of the little friend!

In other news my fancies have given me eggs (and just today) fry. I noticed one hatched. Must have just hatched as it's still laying on the bottom. Hope it perks up. There are between 15 and 17 eggs due to hatch. Hope the rest make it out ok!!!!

Calcifer my chocolate Lionhead is mom (my little Side-Swimmer is allll grown up!!) and Saiyouli my long-finned calico Fantail/Ryukin? is the dad. I hope I get calico Lionheads out of the deal <33333333 Or chocolate fantails!!

Newly hatched babies will bottom sit - or attach to the glass or the plants - for the first couple of days while they use up their yolk sac. Until they do this, they need no food. Within 2-3 days of hatching, though, they will need some food.

I am sorry to hear that your others did not make it.

I've been there. Last summer I had 9 fry which in a few days became 2, then 1. I hope Cojiro grows up to be a big strong pond fish.

Cojiro is still doing fine. He isn't very big but he packs food away just like his parents can He has tiny pectoral fins now and they are CUTE. I can see the rays in his tiny little tail even. <3 His little eyes move around now! And I can see his mouth move!!! So tiny.

The fancies are all hatched now WITH another small bunch of eggs that Calcifer keeps spitting out (the rest I left in the tank for them to clean up). Only a few though, more fry hatched than I expected with the first round. At the highest count I had 39 fry!!! When I thought only a couple were going to hatch... More good eggs than I thought! Also, does that mean it's possible for eggs to fool you? Can an egg be good but look white? That HAS to be what happened. I looked at those plants over and over and there were NOT that many clear eggs with eyes looking back at me... Hmmm.

I would post pics but Cojiro is so fast now he won't let me take his picture!!!

I am throughly convinced that what you are seeing is eyes. A good friend has shown me that. But, to tell the truth, I have never seen these eyes in any of my eggs. My eggs are not normally yellowish - they are clear or white. The white ones hatch, too. But since there are sooooo many clear ones that you cannot see, I think that you may underestimate exactly how many you have.

In my last round, I thought I did not get as many as I had hoped, but the count was well towards 500+ fry. A lot of those were white eggs - and they hatched just fine.

Feed him, and when you have fed him, feed him again. The fish can only grow as big as the amount of food that goes into them. Without the food, there can be no growth. So feed, feed, feed, feed and feed again!

I've been feeding him 4 times a day, once when I wake up between 7:30 and 9:30, once between 2 and 3pm, once at around 10ish and again between 2 and 3am. Can I feed as often as I like? He's being fed Hikari First Bites. I have the liquid fry food from Wardly but I don't know if he's eating it. Is he old enough to eat crushed fish pellets yet? He hatched on Valentines day... Also, the amount of food I put in... He's the only fry in a half full 10 gallon tank with an airstone. Even just dipping my finger in the powder food seems like a lot. He wouldn't eat him self to death would he??? I don't want to feed him to much in one meal.

Well, you do not want to feed him so much that most of the food goes to waste and make a mess in the tank - that is true. BUt I try to keep food swimming in the tank nearly all the time for the first two weeks. Your little guy - at two weeks of age - should be plenty big enough for Daphnia and first bites and crumbled flakes and the sifted pieces of spirilana flakes and such. By 3-4 weeks you can go to the crumbled pieces sifted from the bottom of the pellet container, frozen brine shrimp (not baby), frozen krill, daphnia, crumbled flakes and gel food heavy on the greens. A piece of gel, dropped into the bottom of the tank will provide a nice clean meal for many hours. I drop a few in whenever I am going to be gone - and let them work on it as they wish for hours.

Oh wow, thanks for all that. Looks like I have a few supplies to go get haha.

On a slightly sadder note I've just discovered that a few of my fancy fry have fungus Or maybe it isn't fungus? It's white fluffy stuff I fear the the fry that have equal parts body and equal parts fluff are going to die. What can I do about this fluffy stuff? I've already done a 50% water change on the fry table (with a turkey baster and 3 oz cup) and I added a tiny bit of the only medicine I have that MIGHT work. Maroxy. I need the 'blue' stuff though don't I? Can fry be saved from fungus and other growths or once they have it they're done for??? I feel so bad for them. All of them are still alive but a couple of them have it really bad... Should I cull the ones who have fluffy masses bigger than themselves???

I hate to say it, but yes. The sooner you remove the fungus, the better for the remaining fry. I am sorry.

What are your water parameters? If you are feeding fry, you are going to get ammonia -from uneaten food to the waste the fry produce. Yet - you will not have a strong cycle. I usually start a sponge filter going before hatching - and let it grow into the needs of the tank - nice and slow over several weeks. This does not take away the need forwater changes.

If you can, since you have so few fry, I even suggest carefully lifting them out with a cup - no swishing and chasing - just lifting. Place them - do not pour - into a bucket of fresh water (parameters matched on what counts) and change out 100% of the water. Squeeze out your sponge filter if you have one going. If you do not - now is time - you could even set it running with a power head. My 6 week old fry just graduated to an Emperor 400 - with a screen. The younger set stll have a power head on their sponge filter.

If the tank is kept clean and in good parameters, you should be able to stop the fungus in the rest of the fry.

daryl, should I cull ALL the fry that have even a little fungus on them??? I've gotton the really bad cases out and I'm wondering about the ones that have just a tiny bit... Those ones seem so alive and are putting up a huge fight... It's so sad!

I don't have a sponge filter. I'm assuming my lfs might. I'll have to get ahold of the manager tomorrow, he's nice, if he doesn't have one he'll point me in the direction of one!!! Thank you for all your help so far, I'll edit this post with my water params or maybe just post another reply.

CAn you get a hold of any acriflavine or methelene blue? How big are the fry? If they are big enough, you could put them into a bit of salt for a bit. Maybe.

If your water parameters are out of whack then you have bigger worries. I would be concerned over the fungus transfering to more fry. The water vector gets greater in poor water. Maybe pull ALL the fry that show fungus, but keep them in a separate volume of water if you want to try tosave them.

The only medicines I have are the Maroxy, and Fungus Clear tabs (but not the box) and I don't know what the ingredients are of the Fungus Clear tabs...

I went a head and put the fungus clear tab in. I'm just guessing that my fry container is 5 gallons so I put about half of one tab in. The water isn't very blue and was wondering if I have enough in the water. If this fungus clear stuff will do the trick I want to make sure I use as much as I can to cure this fungus. MOST of the fry have SOME fungus. Some really bad and others you can hardly see it but it's there Let me know, thanks.

Another update on the fungus fry.

I culled ALL of the fry that fungus. I have 6 of 40 left Two of them are very big and strong. The other 4 are very small and lay at the bottom I think they're either coming down with fungus or are just sickly to begin with. I have a feeling they won't make it. But I have high hopes for the strong two!!! I have names picked out for them. I can tell them apart now but who knows when they get bigger. The beefier of the two (which happens to be a teensy bit shorter than the other)'s name is Fonzie and the slightly longer ones' name is Shakey-Fry. Hope they pull thorugh!!!!!!!!

Cojiro is doing well. He has an attitude as big as New Mexico. I think he thinks he's king of the world. I'll let him think it. Becuase I know that he's only king of the 10 gallon tank. And there's only 5 gallons of water in it... It's ok, his ego needs a little help. He had 20 other brothers and sisters who were as strong or stronger than him and they all bit the dust.

I hope all continues to go well for you! It is always a sad day when a little one does not make it.

When possible, show us pictures of your pride and joy!

Cojiro has fungus!!!!!!!!!!! >:0 I'm making a post in the disease section for this one only becuase I know it will get a faster answer!

This is Cojiro, a day or so before fungus!



1 of the 6 fancy fry. They don't have funus as far as I know but their 34 brothers and sisters did so they get meds too.



Another fancy fry. These two fancy fry are the biggest of the 6.

How old are they?

Poor fishy I hope he recovers illness is bad for such little fishies.

I'm down to my last fryling. Hopefully he will be a "Miracle fry"

Good luck, I don't know much about treating frys

Oops nvm my last fry died

All fry are dead. I had 4 really healthy fry but then I did a water change and they all started to float at the surface and have little bursts of energy and tried to swim down, exactly as if they had swim bladder disease. Then, they died.


I am trying again. The fancies keep giving me eggs. Although the mother of these eggs is a little hazy. I'm sure it's Calcifer again but now Sai is chasing another female, Holly. My white Oranda with one eye. Hope it's Calcifer though. I want baby lions!

: ( I'm so sorry all your fry died

I was hoping they might live... Oh well. 2 new ones have hatched and I see at least 2 more that will hatch probably tomorrow.

Second round of fry seem good still. I haven't killed ANY of them. I'm not holding my breath though, last time around all the fry were still good too so. I'd say a month from now if they're still alive that I've done good.

Who are the parents this time?

remember - feed feed feed feed feed them and then, when you are all done, change the water and feed them again!

Good luck! I hope you have great success this time!

Update on second batch: Down to 4 from 13. However this round of survivors seem VERY vigorous. I can already see their gills pumping where the last batch at this age were basically invisible.

Batch three: LOL. Yes a third batch of eggs has been deposited. In fact there are so many eggs they are splashed all over outside the tank and probably on my floor Turns out Kurt IS a girl. I think he's (SHE'S) the mom of this third batch. I'm pretty sure Calcifer is also the mom of the SECOND batch. Pretty sure. Saiyouli is causing all of this uproar! There are eggs covering every visible surface it seems I'm glad, more chances for me to actually raise a few.

I have 2 left of the second batch. I will try once more if these two die (one has fungus), but after the third try I won't be doing this again. No matter what I do they die. I do 100% water changes daily and feed constantly yet they all get fungus and die. I've taken all advice here and nothing has worked.

It's no fun when they ALL die, and my back hurts from all the lifting and water changes and tank cleaning. >:(

=/ I towwie. Maybe these two will make it!

Good news.

The fry that had fungus does NOT any longer. He has survived. I shaved a Fungus Clear tab into their water and I think that did the trick. I had a change of heart on the 3rd batch of eggs and pulled between 20 and 40 good eggs out. Around 12 are hatched now.

They're eating more and more at every feeding. Daily 100% water changes continue.

That is great!!!! KEep us posted!

I'm so happy for you! See, this is the foundation of your gf breeding career! In a few years you're going to look back on this and think ''...I wish I was still a noob again with only 2 fry...now I have 2,000 x.x()''

OH NO! Fry has fungus again!!! I don't know what's going on. It's still eating but who knows. I may take that fry out and treat it alone so the other isn't exposed.

I have about 50 other fry now. WAY more than I thought hatched :\ Hope I can manage to keep a few of them alive.

SO UNCERTAIN!

Both fry died in the night. I have the remaining 50 or so new fry. Will attempt to raise them. If all fails I'm done with having fry.

: (

I am so sorry. Do not let this dampen your spirits too much. Raising fry is not that hard - but it is a rather particular thing. If the eggs are too cool or too hot, if there is too much current, if the food is not right, if......

I ended up culling the entire first spawning I had. I messed them all up. I really messed up the majority of another spawning. And last year's fry were not nearly so healthy and good as this years. I went through thousands..... learning all along the way.

You can do it - but it does take a lot of work and a whole lotta luck.

Most of the 3rd batch is still alive. I've had to cull a few that had obvious problems. One died on it's own but I certainly have more alive than dead. They're only 5 or so days old though.

Hey hey- that is FIVE days!!!! And today makes SIX! Whoopee!!!! Each day is one more towards success!!!!

Most of the fry are still well. I've taken 1 out with fungus. Some are a lot bigger than the others. Do they need to be taken out yet?

Also, at what age can you tell if they will have dorsal fins? There is ONE fry that I SWEAR, has a dorsal fin. They're about 9 days old now.

Most fry are still alive, the bigger fry are the ones to die. A have fungus. Been taking them out. Quite a few still alive. Not holding my breath. Daily water changes haven't worked, every other day water changes haven't worked, weekly water changes haven't worked. I don't think anything does.

Still wondering about the dorsal fin question. Now it seems there are a bunch with tiny little dorsals <3 Also, saw a single tail in the bunch! I can see the pectoral fins on a lot of them now without squinting.

I really hope a few make it for you this time!

A few more have died, but only one or two from fungus. I still count around 45 fry. Although, some fry grow really big and those are the ones that die. When they reach a certain size they die. So they're all quite tiny.

Well at least they've made it this far!

Fry are 21 days old now I believe, (if I counted right), I have between 35 and 45 still alive. Although I can see at least 3 that are struggling to stay upright so they may die in the night or need to be culled. I have about 6 big super healthy fry. They're not aggressive and hogging the food yet. When they do I'll have to separate them. I'm glad to say that the only single tail is one of the healthy bigger ones. I noticed him way back around 5 or 6 days!!! I'm happy he's made it this far!! The same parents of these fry (Saiyouli and Kurt) have spawned again but I let them and their tank mates eat the eggs.

Questions;

+ About how long should a 21 day old fry be? They seems so small.

+ What other foods can they have, up until now all they've been eating are First Bites. Can they have the regular fish food crushed?

+ How deep of water can they have now? I still keep them in less than 6 inches of water.

22 or 23 days old. Stull wondering about the questions in last post.

since pretty much all your fry have gotten fungus so far, why not try changing the water completely?put some of the eggs or fry in a totally different tank. eliminate the problem at the source.

Ughhh, I haven't had problem with fungus for quite some time now. I do weekly 100% water changes and this has eliminated the problem of fungus. I don't use NEW water either. I use water out of the parents tank. I figured, if the fish spawned in that, and the eggs hatched in that, than there's something RIGHT about that water.

When changing water, realize that ifyou use water from the parent's tank,you are placing the "used" water for your youngsters to grow in. Even if the parameters are zero ammonia, zero nitrite and less than 5ppm nitrates, the adults secrete growth hormones into the water - something that may restrict the growth of the other fish in the water (fry).


At 21 days old, I would expect the average fry in a group to be about 1/2 in long. That is a very VERY average guess. Each breed has a bit different growth pattern - and each line within a breed may have a different growth pattern. Fry that are not fed heavily will grow substantially slower than ones that are given high protien food every 2-4 hours. Fry in pristine water will grow faster than ones that are struggling with water parameters.

I keep my fry on 100% protien - live food for at least the first few weeks. Generally, until they are large enough that they can eat Daphnia, they eat baby brine shrimp. Then Daphnia. Then brine shrimp. Then crushed fish flakes - soaked. I have a HUGE spawning if 2 (that is right - just TWO ) fry that are about 1 inch long at 6 weeks...... They are eating Seafood flakes and Hikari Lionhead pellets (they are small pellets) and brine shrimp about 4 times a day. Keep the the protien..... and realize that heavy feeding usually means that you have to change water heavily.

As far as the depth of the water - the reason for the shallow water for the fry is mostly for when they are first hatched. A newly hatched fry will attach to a near surface - the spawning grass or the glass of the tank. There, it will hang until it consumes the egg sac that it has. Once consumed the fry will make an all important dash to the surface to gulp that first gulp of air to fill it's swim bladder. If the water is too deep, has too much current or has a skum built on the surface, the fry will fail to make it to the surface to get a proper gulp of air. That dooms the fry to being a bottom rider - and death. Once the fry are free swimming horizontally, they are ready for "deeper" water. I add in more water than I take out at each change, until the tank is about 12-14 inches deep. Once your water is deeper, too, the sponge filter will work correctly - and you can get it running to keep the water pristine (or help).

I'm glad they can have more water now!

As for a filter, I do have a sponge filter but it's made for a 20 gallon tank and the only tank I have to use is a 10 gallon (and also a 5 gallon if maybe I separate the big ones from the little guys)

I'm afraid to use new water because it seems the last two batches of fry recieved new water during water changes and that caused them all to float and then die within 2 or 3 days. I don't know if all of that was related... But it left a bad taste in my mouth. Does totally new water for the fry get treated the same way for adult fish? Same amout of water conditioner? That type of stuff. I suppose temp should be exactly the same. I would imagine even half a degree hotter or colder could harm the fry beyond repair.

Fry are delicate - and do require a bit of care in matching water temps and parameters, etc. But they are not so fragile that you cannot change the water. With really small ones - like yours - I suggest that you simply scoop water off the top with a cup. I use the quart containers that come with Chinese for many water changes on smaller fry tanks like 10s and 20s. They are not making noticable waste that sits on the bottom anyway - the waste is in the water.

I have sponge filters that do not fit in a 10 gallon tank because, with the uplift tube they are taller than the tank's water. With a good bubbler going inside and the sponge submerged, you can still get some biological filtration going on the sponge, though, by simply removing the plastic uplift tube. Stand the sponge away from the glass of the tank - the fry can get caught between the glass and the sponge and die.

Fry grow sooooo much better with pristine water.

Thanks daryl for all your help with me and my fry.

A bunch of them have fallen ill with fungus (I spoke to soon) and of course it's my biggest ones that caught it. Including my only single tail. It's lost it's lore and fun. I don't even want to try the remaining. They're going to all die. There's no sense in continuing.

Not doing this again. It's really a load of BS.

I tried like I said I would with these guys and I said if it didn't work out I was done. And now I am.

The End

El fin

/try

/caring

however you say; "DONE"

It was sort of fun.