Is this fella an Oranda or Ryukin?

It kinda looks like a cross, more ryukin in it though if it is. Is that a wen I see though?

Wen too prominent to be called a ryukin. Both parents are orandas, rite?

Yup! This is one of those rejected self-bred oranda that I kept in my sump tank.

Either way, hes a pretty guy. I think hes the coolest fish I've seen in a while!

Remember this one, Andrea?



Looks like HNLim will be the one to fulfill our fantasy. LOL

So close yet so far!

Oh, yeah! Do I ever! You are getting close there, HnLim! Man Yu, you do know how the breeders get rid of any pesky red scales in a desired fish like that, right?

I also know how to but then I will be accused of animal abuse.

well... we do have a tendency to look the other way if there's a beautiful fish involved...

'sides, jikin breeders practice this so-called "abuse" for years but nobody accuses them outright, as the scale-chipping process targets only a few scales at a time and allows the fish to rest for weeks or months before the next session. It's no more cruel than a fish losing one or two scales at a time when they collide with a piece of decor in their tank or while being netted for transfer

Does that means I have the blessings of everyone?

You have the grudging and envious blessings of people unfortunate enough to look into this thread. LOL

Man Yu!
It is not just nature's luck that Jikin come they way they are - human intervention is involved here. Does that mean I appreciate a jikin any less? Heck, no!

So! Yes or No to human intervention?

I saw nothing....

naah... go ahead and try it. Just be careful with the fish and don't overdo it, huh?

Only a few scales with each session...

looks like a ryukin. pretty fishy!!

as in just one, a couple, or three at most.

At this rate, it will probably take me more than a year to do the job.