* Test Results for the Following:
Ammonia Level? NA
Nitrite Level? 0 ppm
Nitrate level? 20 ppm
Ph Level, (If possible,KH and GH and chloramines)? 7.6
Ph Level out of the Tap? NA
* Tank size (How many Gals) and How long has it been running? 35 gal, a year
* What is the name and size of the filter/s? AquaClear 50
* How often do you change the water and how much? normally it would be once a week
# How many fish in the tank and their size? 5 goldfish, all small
# What kind of water additives or conditioners? Stress Coat, Stress Zyme
# Any medications added to the tank? Pimafix & Melafix
# Add any new fish to the tank? A week ago
# What do you feed your fish? Tetrafin flakes
# Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt",
bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Yes, just treated for ich, but I think all of my fish have received secondary infections.
# Any unusual behavior like staying
at the bottom, not eating, ect..? Yes, both of these.
Hello everyone!! For about 3 weeks now, I've been treating my tank for ich. I switched from Rid-ich to Super Ich Cure, neither of which seemed to do anything. The latter seemed to be extremely stressful on my fish because I could see that red streaks were forming in their tail fins. I then did a little bit of research and decided to use aquarium salt and heat to kill the ich. For about a week, the temperature was raised to 86 degrees F with the water salinity at .3%. This all seemed to work very well. My fish seemed happy and healthy and I was very excited to finally get rid of ich in my tank forever. However, I realized that my problems have only begun.
My comet goldfish has begun to lose scales to a point where it would bleed. Initially, I thought his earlier scale-loss was due to a very agressive Chinese algae eater which I had in my tank but donated to Petco, but it seems to me now that there may be something wrong with him. Not only are his scales falling off, but he is also bottom sitting with clamped fins and is having extremely labored breathing. His lips pucker as if he was chewing on something, but there doesn't seem to be anything in his mouth. This morning, he would have moments where he could not close his mouth at all. This was extremely painful for me to watch. When I fed my fish this morning, my comet would dart for the food, but he would either spit it right back out, or not even be able to suck it into his mouth at all. He is becoming extremely thin and I'm afraid that he may starve to death. His fins are also darkening. I asked an aquarium employee about my comet's condition and he said that it was due to an internal parasite. He gave me a bottle of Jungle's Anti-Parasite Medicated Fish Food, but the problem with this fish food, however, is that my goldfish won't eat it at all. Out of desperation, I ordered an 8 oz. bottle of Medi-Gold yesterday. I pray that my goldfish will eat it and that it will help.
Also, my calico Oranda has begun to alternate from floating at the surface gasping for air to bottom sitting with clamped fins. He is having labored breathing and will eat very little, if anything at all. I went to a local aquarium store, and the worker would say that his bottom sitting and clamped fins are due to poor water quality. I went home and checked my nitrite, nitrate and PH levels--all of which seemed to be fine. I noticed that there was a very thin and long colorless poo coming from a few of my fish's behinds. This very site suggests that that is due to an internal bacterial infection. I went out to buy Pimafix and Melafix and have slowly lowered my tank's temperature to about 75 degrees and performed a 75% water change to remove the salt before treating. APi, the makers of Pima/Melafix claims that these solutions will not discolor my water, but it seems to be clouding it when combined. I opted not to buy another anti-bacterial medicated fish food for the fear that my fish won't eat it.
Have you guys have any positive experiences treating with Pimafix/Melafix/Medi-Gold? Also, what do you guys think could be wrong with my goldfish?
My 2 other goldfish without labored breathing/clamped fins, seem to be developing patches of green fungus... all of which I hope Pimafix/Melafix will remedy. My last oranda has been suffering with dropsy for the past two days. This is terrible...This has been an extremely frustrating two-three days for me. When I thought I can finally have a tank full of ich-free, healthy fish, I get all of this instead. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for reading my long story!
Full Version: Post-ich/secondary Infection Problems! Please Help!
Ammonia Level? NA
Nitrite Level? 0 ppm
Nitrate level? 20 ppm
Ph Level, (If possible,KH and GH and chloramines)? 7.6
Ph Level out of the Tap? NA
* Tank size (How many Gals) and How long has it been running? 35 gal, a year
* What is the name and size of the filter/s? AquaClear 50
* How often do you change the water and how much? normally it would be once a week
# How many fish in the tank and their size? 5 goldfish, all small
# What kind of water additives or conditioners? Stress Coat, Stress Zyme
# Any medications added to the tank? Pimafix & Melafix
# Add any new fish to the tank? A week ago
# What do you feed your fish? Tetrafin flakes
# Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt",
bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Yes, just treated for ich, but I think all of my fish have received secondary infections.
# Any unusual behavior like staying
at the bottom, not eating, ect..? Yes, both of these.
Hello everyone!! For about 3 weeks now, I've been treating my tank for ich. I switched from Rid-ich to Super Ich Cure, neither of which seemed to do anything. The latter seemed to be extremely stressful on my fish because I could see that red streaks were forming in their tail fins. I then did a little bit of research and decided to use aquarium salt and heat to kill the ich. For about a week, the temperature was raised to 86 degrees F with the water salinity at .3%. This all seemed to work very well. My fish seemed happy and healthy and I was very excited to finally get rid of ich in my tank forever. However, I realized that my problems have only begun.
My comet goldfish has begun to lose scales to a point where it would bleed. Initially, I thought his earlier scale-loss was due to a very agressive Chinese algae eater which I had in my tank but donated to Petco, but it seems to me now that there may be something wrong with him. Not only are his scales falling off, but he is also bottom sitting with clamped fins and is having extremely labored breathing. His lips pucker as if he was chewing on something, but there doesn't seem to be anything in his mouth. This morning, he would have moments where he could not close his mouth at all. This was extremely painful for me to watch. When I fed my fish this morning, my comet would dart for the food, but he would either spit it right back out, or not even be able to suck it into his mouth at all. He is becoming extremely thin and I'm afraid that he may starve to death. His fins are also darkening. I asked an aquarium employee about my comet's condition and he said that it was due to an internal parasite. He gave me a bottle of Jungle's Anti-Parasite Medicated Fish Food, but the problem with this fish food, however, is that my goldfish won't eat it at all. Out of desperation, I ordered an 8 oz. bottle of Medi-Gold yesterday. I pray that my goldfish will eat it and that it will help.
Also, my calico Oranda has begun to alternate from floating at the surface gasping for air to bottom sitting with clamped fins. He is having labored breathing and will eat very little, if anything at all. I went to a local aquarium store, and the worker would say that his bottom sitting and clamped fins are due to poor water quality. I went home and checked my nitrite, nitrate and PH levels--all of which seemed to be fine. I noticed that there was a very thin and long colorless poo coming from a few of my fish's behinds. This very site suggests that that is due to an internal bacterial infection. I went out to buy Pimafix and Melafix and have slowly lowered my tank's temperature to about 75 degrees and performed a 75% water change to remove the salt before treating. APi, the makers of Pima/Melafix claims that these solutions will not discolor my water, but it seems to be clouding it when combined. I opted not to buy another anti-bacterial medicated fish food for the fear that my fish won't eat it.
Have you guys have any positive experiences treating with Pimafix/Melafix/Medi-Gold? Also, what do you guys think could be wrong with my goldfish?
My 2 other goldfish without labored breathing/clamped fins, seem to be developing patches of green fungus... all of which I hope Pimafix/Melafix will remedy. My last oranda has been suffering with dropsy for the past two days. This is terrible...This has been an extremely frustrating two-three days for me. When I thought I can finally have a tank full of ich-free, healthy fish, I get all of this instead. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for reading my long story!
Nitrite Level? 0 ppm
Nitrate level? 20 ppm
Ph Level, (If possible,KH and GH and chloramines)? 7.6
Ph Level out of the Tap? NA
* Tank size (How many Gals) and How long has it been running? 35 gal, a year
* What is the name and size of the filter/s? AquaClear 50
* How often do you change the water and how much? normally it would be once a week
# How many fish in the tank and their size? 5 goldfish, all small
# What kind of water additives or conditioners? Stress Coat, Stress Zyme
# Any medications added to the tank? Pimafix & Melafix
# Add any new fish to the tank? A week ago
# What do you feed your fish? Tetrafin flakes
# Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt",
bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Yes, just treated for ich, but I think all of my fish have received secondary infections.
# Any unusual behavior like staying
at the bottom, not eating, ect..? Yes, both of these.
Hello everyone!! For about 3 weeks now, I've been treating my tank for ich. I switched from Rid-ich to Super Ich Cure, neither of which seemed to do anything. The latter seemed to be extremely stressful on my fish because I could see that red streaks were forming in their tail fins. I then did a little bit of research and decided to use aquarium salt and heat to kill the ich. For about a week, the temperature was raised to 86 degrees F with the water salinity at .3%. This all seemed to work very well. My fish seemed happy and healthy and I was very excited to finally get rid of ich in my tank forever. However, I realized that my problems have only begun.
My comet goldfish has begun to lose scales to a point where it would bleed. Initially, I thought his earlier scale-loss was due to a very agressive Chinese algae eater which I had in my tank but donated to Petco, but it seems to me now that there may be something wrong with him. Not only are his scales falling off, but he is also bottom sitting with clamped fins and is having extremely labored breathing. His lips pucker as if he was chewing on something, but there doesn't seem to be anything in his mouth. This morning, he would have moments where he could not close his mouth at all. This was extremely painful for me to watch. When I fed my fish this morning, my comet would dart for the food, but he would either spit it right back out, or not even be able to suck it into his mouth at all. He is becoming extremely thin and I'm afraid that he may starve to death. His fins are also darkening. I asked an aquarium employee about my comet's condition and he said that it was due to an internal parasite. He gave me a bottle of Jungle's Anti-Parasite Medicated Fish Food, but the problem with this fish food, however, is that my goldfish won't eat it at all. Out of desperation, I ordered an 8 oz. bottle of Medi-Gold yesterday. I pray that my goldfish will eat it and that it will help.
Also, my calico Oranda has begun to alternate from floating at the surface gasping for air to bottom sitting with clamped fins. He is having labored breathing and will eat very little, if anything at all. I went to a local aquarium store, and the worker would say that his bottom sitting and clamped fins are due to poor water quality. I went home and checked my nitrite, nitrate and PH levels--all of which seemed to be fine. I noticed that there was a very thin and long colorless poo coming from a few of my fish's behinds. This very site suggests that that is due to an internal bacterial infection. I went out to buy Pimafix and Melafix and have slowly lowered my tank's temperature to about 75 degrees and performed a 75% water change to remove the salt before treating. APi, the makers of Pima/Melafix claims that these solutions will not discolor my water, but it seems to be clouding it when combined. I opted not to buy another anti-bacterial medicated fish food for the fear that my fish won't eat it.
Have you guys have any positive experiences treating with Pimafix/Melafix/Medi-Gold? Also, what do you guys think could be wrong with my goldfish?
My 2 other goldfish without labored breathing/clamped fins, seem to be developing patches of green fungus... all of which I hope Pimafix/Melafix will remedy. My last oranda has been suffering with dropsy for the past two days. This is terrible...This has been an extremely frustrating two-three days for me. When I thought I can finally have a tank full of ich-free, healthy fish, I get all of this instead. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for reading my long story!
Poor you and your fish! I will try and respond because you are waiting and time is precious here, but you may also want to check back
later and see if a Mod can give you better and more advice.
First of all your fish will have been at an immunity low after fighting the ich and after battling in the different meds. I'm glad you found salt as
for ich it is great. But now as you say your fish have developed other symptoms, secondary infections after the ich which is not unusual.
The first concern is your water. After the combinations of meds you have dosed the tank with I think you really have to worry about ammonia.
I notice you say NA for ammonia- do you have a test kit? I am betting there is ammonia in your tank which has probably experienced a cycle bump.
You could still have o for nitrites if the meds and the high bacterial load has knocked your cycle back to start. The speed of these infections
seems to be aggrivated by something and that something more often than not will be whacky water params. Especially since you are noticing cloudy water.
I would check for ammonia first & water change it out.
The fish that may have columnaris and cannot eat because it affects the throat- will not be able to eat the medigold but it is a miracle antibiotic to keep
at hand.
I think you need to get these fish into some perfect clean treated water immediately. I would even be tempted to do the bucket to bucket treatment for
3 days (see Ranchugirls explanation in the treatment section in this forum)and then put the fish back into clean tank water dosed with Maracyn 1 and 11 combined.
Thank you for the quick response, Trinket! Yeah, I don't have an ammonia test kit, but I'll go out to buy one right now.
This morning, when I went to go see if they were alright, I saw them all huddled together in a corner of the tank. When I turned all the light though, they all dispersed...
I will update you again after I check the ammonia levels. Oh yeah, so you recommended Marcyn I & II over Pimafix & Melafix? Thanks again.
This morning, when I went to go see if they were alright, I saw them all huddled together in a corner of the tank. When I turned all the light though, they all dispersed...
I will update you again after I check the ammonia levels. Oh yeah, so you recommended Marcyn I & II over Pimafix & Melafix? Thanks again.
i had a problem with two of my fish this week. i had a 3 year old pearlscale which was alone in the tank so i bought a black goldfish (popsical ?) to keep him company as he was pretty inactive. however a couple of days after adding the new fish, they both developed bad itch very quickly. i don't know if the new fish was diseased, i've bought several fish from this petshop and they've all been ok, but anyway the black fish died after a couple of days which was sad. i'd added a green anti-itch medicine which usually works, but i've never seen itch this bad.
anyway the pearlscale then developed shredded fins and they were also getting red streaks, so i added the local suphur based medicine for tail rot. these are the only two medicines available to me here. i didn't like adding more medicine to the tank, but things were happening fast. yesterday morning i found the pearlscale dead, which made me sad as i really liked him. he had by then red blotches on the body. all this happened in 3 days.
anyway the pearlscale then developed shredded fins and they were also getting red streaks, so i added the local suphur based medicine for tail rot. these are the only two medicines available to me here. i didn't like adding more medicine to the tank, but things were happening fast. yesterday morning i found the pearlscale dead, which made me sad as i really liked him. he had by then red blotches on the body. all this happened in 3 days.
I'm really sorry to hear about your fish, fishy in japan. Is the itch you are talking about ich? From experience, I think there is some truth to your current fish building immunity to the small traces of ich (if it is true that ich is always present in your tank) after treating them for it. I once introduced a seemingly clean and healthy fish which I bought from a reliable fish store into my tank a week after I was finished treating for ich, and low and behold, only the new fish developed spots of ich a few days later.
Trinket, I went out to buy a Red Sea Ammonia Test Kit. I retested my nitrite, nitrate, pH, and ammonia levels:
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrite: 0 ppm
Nitrate: 5 ppm
pH: 7.6
I didn't buy Maracyn I or II because it is so expensive at Petco. Hopefully Pimafix & Melafix will do the job, but the fish don't seem to be improving at all.
Trinket, I went out to buy a Red Sea Ammonia Test Kit. I retested my nitrite, nitrate, pH, and ammonia levels:
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrite: 0 ppm
Nitrate: 5 ppm
pH: 7.6
I didn't buy Maracyn I or II because it is so expensive at Petco. Hopefully Pimafix & Melafix will do the job, but the fish don't seem to be improving at all.
Hi hlim ,and welcome to the board.I'm very sorry to hear that your fish are having problems.
First,I want to start with the size of your tank and 5 fish.If they are very small,you can do it for a while if water params are kept pristene,other wise 5 goldfish in a 35 gallon tank,could very well produce a lot more problems for you,as we recommend at least 10 gallons per fish at minimum.
When you treated for Ich,what was their symptoms?Did you keep the tank in total darkness,as the Meds become ineffective with light.
Also,when keeping the temps up high,did you have extra airstones ,as the higher temps along with a lot of different meds will decrease the oxygen level in the fish tank,and you'll find the fish doing more gasping,etc.
Did you quarrantine the new fish before you added him into your main tank?
My guess that when you added the new fish,it may have not only brought in parasite problems,but it could have also affected your params,therefore stressing out and making your fish more vulnerable to sickness.
How small are these fish? (I also want to add the fact that sometimes treating some of the smaller fish with Ich meds and salt,they don't always deal so well with them)
How long did you do the entire salt treatment at 0.3%? In using this treatment for Parasites,it's normally recommended to do it for around two weeks.That normally gets rid of most Parasites,except for flukes and a few parasites that have now gotten resistent to salt treatment.
As for the secondary bacteria infection,you definitely have signs of that.I don't recommend Pimafix and Melafix myself,as they aren't really strong enough for a bad bacteria.Often times,you're better off using a course of the Maracyns for treatment.
This Comet missing the scales,was he flashing at all during any of these treatments that you gave him?Any objects in the tank that could have caused injury to his scales?
Tell me more about the 2 fish suffering from patches of green fungus. What color are these fish=where are the patches located,what do they actually look like?
Any changes (good or bad) since you last posted?
Let me know what your exact params are reading,and where you're at with treatment.Post soon
First,I want to start with the size of your tank and 5 fish.If they are very small,you can do it for a while if water params are kept pristene,other wise 5 goldfish in a 35 gallon tank,could very well produce a lot more problems for you,as we recommend at least 10 gallons per fish at minimum.
When you treated for Ich,what was their symptoms?Did you keep the tank in total darkness,as the Meds become ineffective with light.
Also,when keeping the temps up high,did you have extra airstones ,as the higher temps along with a lot of different meds will decrease the oxygen level in the fish tank,and you'll find the fish doing more gasping,etc.
Did you quarrantine the new fish before you added him into your main tank?
My guess that when you added the new fish,it may have not only brought in parasite problems,but it could have also affected your params,therefore stressing out and making your fish more vulnerable to sickness.
How small are these fish? (I also want to add the fact that sometimes treating some of the smaller fish with Ich meds and salt,they don't always deal so well with them)
How long did you do the entire salt treatment at 0.3%? In using this treatment for Parasites,it's normally recommended to do it for around two weeks.That normally gets rid of most Parasites,except for flukes and a few parasites that have now gotten resistent to salt treatment.
As for the secondary bacteria infection,you definitely have signs of that.I don't recommend Pimafix and Melafix myself,as they aren't really strong enough for a bad bacteria.Often times,you're better off using a course of the Maracyns for treatment.
This Comet missing the scales,was he flashing at all during any of these treatments that you gave him?Any objects in the tank that could have caused injury to his scales?
Tell me more about the 2 fish suffering from patches of green fungus. What color are these fish=where are the patches located,what do they actually look like?
Any changes (good or bad) since you last posted?
Let me know what your exact params are reading,and where you're at with treatment.Post soon
Hello! I just tried to feed my fish today again. My main concern right now is why my fish cannot eat anything. 4/5 of my fish spit out the food they take in, so most of them haven't eaten anything in days.
Thank you for your reply, Devs. When I was using meds to treat for ich, I did not have my tank in complete darkness. I never turned on the hood light, but there was still sun light coming from the adjacent room. While the temperature was high, I had a foot-long airstone in my tank.
All of my fish are about an inch to two inches (tail included). I did not quarantine any new fish because I wanted to have all five fish there in the tank, treated and healthy at the same time.
I continued the salt treatment for about a week and some days, 3-4 days after the last sign of ich has disappeared, which was also 2-3 days after my fish started showing illnesses (bottom sitting w/ clamped fins). I removed all of the aquarium salt from my tank because one of my fish is experiencing dropsy, and I read that aquarium salt helps retain fluids IN.
The comet did flash around during treatments. He would usually stay at one end of the tank, looking through the glass, swimming up and down, left to right. I don't have any objects in the tank that can damage his scales, except for maybe gravel.
The fungus, all of it, have seem to disappeared. It must be because I have been treating with Pima/Melafix. I am very concerned right now with why my fish cannot eat. 4 out of my 5 fish spit the food that they take in out. They haven't eaten anything in 4-5 days.
My current water params are:
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrite: 0 ppm
Nitrate: 5 ppm
pH: 7.6
I am currently on my third day of treatment with Pima and Melafix. I will purchase Maracyn I & II if I can find it somewhere cheaper than what Petco sells it for (They overcharge on all of their items).
Thanks again for your help!
All of my fish are about an inch to two inches (tail included). I did not quarantine any new fish because I wanted to have all five fish there in the tank, treated and healthy at the same time.
I continued the salt treatment for about a week and some days, 3-4 days after the last sign of ich has disappeared, which was also 2-3 days after my fish started showing illnesses (bottom sitting w/ clamped fins). I removed all of the aquarium salt from my tank because one of my fish is experiencing dropsy, and I read that aquarium salt helps retain fluids IN.
The comet did flash around during treatments. He would usually stay at one end of the tank, looking through the glass, swimming up and down, left to right. I don't have any objects in the tank that can damage his scales, except for maybe gravel.
The fungus, all of it, have seem to disappeared. It must be because I have been treating with Pima/Melafix. I am very concerned right now with why my fish cannot eat. 4 out of my 5 fish spit the food that they take in out. They haven't eaten anything in 4-5 days.
My current water params are:
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrite: 0 ppm
Nitrate: 5 ppm
pH: 7.6
I am currently on my third day of treatment with Pima and Melafix. I will purchase Maracyn I & II if I can find it somewhere cheaper than what Petco sells it for (They overcharge on all of their items).
Thanks again for your help!
After a bit of research, I have come to believe that my fish have gill disease.
Flukes
Symptoms:Fish are very lethargic, typically sit on the bottom until provoked to move, but still eating normally. Fish with gill flukes will breathe rapidly even though sitting still. Severe gill fluke infestations will cause fish to spit out food. Fish with skin flukes will flash.
[taken from: http://www.goldfishparadise.com/forum/phpB...p=108220#108220]
How do I know whether or not it's a fluke or just bacterial? Will Maracyn I & II help me at all if it's gill flukes?
Flukes
Symptoms:Fish are very lethargic, typically sit on the bottom until provoked to move, but still eating normally. Fish with gill flukes will breathe rapidly even though sitting still. Severe gill fluke infestations will cause fish to spit out food. Fish with skin flukes will flash.
[taken from: http://www.goldfishparadise.com/forum/phpB...p=108220#108220]
How do I know whether or not it's a fluke or just bacterial? Will Maracyn I & II help me at all if it's gill flukes?
After a bit of research, I have come to believe that my fish have gill disease.
Flukes
Symptoms:Fish are very lethargic, typically sit on the bottom until provoked to move, but still eating normally. Fish with gill flukes will breathe rapidly even though sitting still. Severe gill fluke infestations will cause fish to spit out food. Fish with skin flukes will flash.
[taken from: http://www.goldfishparadise.com/forum/phpB...p=108220#108220]
How do I know whether or not it's a fluke or just bacterial? Will Maracyn I & II help me at all if it's gill flukes?
Flukes
Symptoms:Fish are very lethargic, typically sit on the bottom until provoked to move, but still eating normally. Fish with gill flukes will breathe rapidly even though sitting still. Severe gill fluke infestations will cause fish to spit out food. Fish with skin flukes will flash.
[taken from: http://www.goldfishparadise.com/forum/phpB...p=108220#108220]
How do I know whether or not it's a fluke or just bacterial? Will Maracyn I & II help me at all if it's gill flukes?
Often times,when your fish are dealing with Parasite problems,they seem to get quite run down and vulnerable,so it seems like most times,they do go into a secondary infection.It's almost impossible without seeing a professional,to know whether it's one or both most times.My advice to you, would be to do a treatment for flukes,along with an antibacterial treatment since your fish are not eating.
Personally,it's a bit costly,but Prazi-Pro seems to be the best treatment for flukes,and the med itself is safe on your fish and filtration.Flukes are one of the toughest parasites to kill,and I personally have used Prazi-Pro,and it worked great.
You may have to spend the extra money on the Maracyns at Petco,as each day that your fish suffer from illness,makes them weaker to the parasites & infection.A sick fish can go fast.
Good luck and keep us posted.
I am going to combine your threads so that we have all information together.Makes it so much less confusing.
Personally,it's a bit costly,but Prazi-Pro seems to be the best treatment for flukes,and the med itself is safe on your fish and filtration.Flukes are one of the toughest parasites to kill,and I personally have used Prazi-Pro,and it worked great.
You may have to spend the extra money on the Maracyns at Petco,as each day that your fish suffer from illness,makes them weaker to the parasites & infection.A sick fish can go fast.
Good luck and keep us posted.
I am going to combine your threads so that we have all information together.Makes it so much less confusing.
Haha, thank you for combining them for me! After I posted in the Disease/Treatment section, I realized that I should have posted in the 911 section.
I bought Maracyn I & II yesterday and have already begun the treatment.
Is Prazi pro only available at goldfishconnection.com? I will try to look for it at my local fish store. Otherwise I may settle for another medication--I really want to get the gill fluke treatment started. I read that my fish may be at an advanced stage of it because they are already spitting out their food. Thanks for your help again, Devs!
I bought Maracyn I & II yesterday and have already begun the treatment.
Is Prazi pro only available at goldfishconnection.com? I will try to look for it at my local fish store. Otherwise I may settle for another medication--I really want to get the gill fluke treatment started. I read that my fish may be at an advanced stage of it because they are already spitting out their food. Thanks for your help again, Devs!
To my delight, my trusty fish store had two very old bottles of Prazi-Pro. The bottles were compressed and very dusty--I hope Prazi-Pro doesn't expire, does anyone know if it does?
Devs, I did a 50% water change yesterday to treat with Maracyn I & II. Prazi-Pro suggests that you change your water before you dose; this I did not do. I simply added the medication in. Do you think it will be okay? Also, the instructions say not to treat with any other drug or medication. I am worried that Prazi will have no effect because I did not follow these two instructions. Please help!
Devs, I did a 50% water change yesterday to treat with Maracyn I & II. Prazi-Pro suggests that you change your water before you dose; this I did not do. I simply added the medication in. Do you think it will be okay? Also, the instructions say not to treat with any other drug or medication. I am worried that Prazi will have no effect because I did not follow these two instructions. Please help!
I placed my calico oranda in a floating basket to prevent ulcers from sitting on the gravel all day--one of Rick's tips. He hasn't improved much since I medicated with Prazi-Pro, but it is way too soon to tell.
I have a quick question about sick Ryukins. I have had 2 ryukins, one of which is sick right now. Whenever they get sick and bottom sit or surface float, their eyes seem to go into their heads. Have anyone else seen this before? If they get better, will their eyes pop back out?
(Also, can someone help me delete all of my double posts since my two threads were combined? Thank you!
)
I have a quick question about sick Ryukins. I have had 2 ryukins, one of which is sick right now. Whenever they get sick and bottom sit or surface float, their eyes seem to go into their heads. Have anyone else seen this before? If they get better, will their eyes pop back out?
(Also, can someone help me delete all of my double posts since my two threads were combined? Thank you!
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One of my fish died of dropsy this morning. Not only that but, my water became extremely extremely cloudy. When I was changing the water, the water in the bucket was the color of Prazi-Pro (lq), a slight orangey color. I did about an 80% water change and redosed with Prazi-Pro again. It was still just as cloudy. Could it be because my bottle has expired, or is this normal? Please help!
Okay big update! I was doing more research today on Prazi-Pro and Maracyn. I haven't found out whether or not liquid Prazi-Pro expires or not but, Prazi-Pro & Maracyn can be combined. I didn't know this.
I treated with both Maracyn & Prazi-Pro today after a huge water change. The water is very very cloudy once again, so I checked my water parameters. There was a huge spike in nitrite and pH. Here are my results:
Nitrite: 0 --> .25 ppm
pH: 7.6 --> 7.0
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrate: 0 ppm
Is this because of the medication? What should I do now that my nitrite is .25 ppm? If I do a water change, do I still have to add more Prazi-Pro? I can see swirls of clouds in the cloudiness that is my water. It looks like the powder from my Maracyn I & II. What should I do? Please help! Thanks!
I treated with both Maracyn & Prazi-Pro today after a huge water change. The water is very very cloudy once again, so I checked my water parameters. There was a huge spike in nitrite and pH. Here are my results:
Nitrite: 0 --> .25 ppm
pH: 7.6 --> 7.0
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrate: 0 ppm
Is this because of the medication? What should I do now that my nitrite is .25 ppm? If I do a water change, do I still have to add more Prazi-Pro? I can see swirls of clouds in the cloudiness that is my water. It looks like the powder from my Maracyn I & II. What should I do? Please help! Thanks!
My fish started to eat again, somewhat! I have seen them poo, but I have also seen them scratch against the gravel then consequently spit out their food. This is day 4 of treating with Prazi-Pro, could there still be gill flukes?
You have had a cycle bump. Your nitrates are at zero which indicates your beneficial bacteria may well be at zero too. I think all the meds, first what you used before you came to kokos and then the double prazi dose with salt and maracyns x 2 have knocked your tank cycle out. At this point the nitrite and ammonia levels could get a whole lot worse. Understandably this is not safe for fish and especially not sick fish.
Here is what I would do. You need 2 buckets. Fill them both with treated temp and pH matched water and check there is no ammonia, nitrites or nitrates in the tap water. Dose the water with prazi and .3% salt OR prazi and maracyn.
day 1: Put the sick fish in the first bucket and leave them there with an airstone(vital- meds steals oxygen) for one day.
day 2: Take out the fish and put them in the second bucket dosed with prazi and salt OR prazi and maracyn. Leave one day
Throw away the first bucket of medicated water. Hopefully you are also throwing out a lot of nasty parasites in there. Prepare this bucket again for day 3 after rinsing out well with a little added vinegar/ a half teaspoon of pure bleach in a full bucket and then rinse out 4 times/or a scrape down with salt.
And so on for 4 to 5 days. I bet you can rid the fish of their parasites in this way. It takes time, effort and alot of patience with med dosing and cleaning but it is very, very effective. You provide the fish with a gauranteed clean water environment to give them the best fighting chance.
Then you will have to start re-cycling your nuked tank for the return of your fish.
If it is gill flukes there will also be body flukes. Prazi kills flukes.
It's good they are eating. They will need strength. I have eliminated salt resistant costia and other parasites in this way. If you get the dosage right -it really works.
Good luck.
Hello!
Thank you for the advice, Trinket. I actually just finished medicating with Mar I & II. I was also using Prazi-Pro at the same time.
My sick fish are doing better now but I still catch them very aggressively scratching their gills against the gravel and/or heater. What could this mean? They are eating without spitting now, so I assumed the flukes were dying out...
Thanks again.
hlim
Thank you for the advice, Trinket. I actually just finished medicating with Mar I & II. I was also using Prazi-Pro at the same time.
My sick fish are doing better now but I still catch them very aggressively scratching their gills against the gravel and/or heater. What could this mean? They are eating without spitting now, so I assumed the flukes were dying out...
Thanks again.
hlim
Hi hlim
How many days did you run the prazi and Marcyns?
You might need to do another round of prazi. It does have to be a full treatment because its antibiotic and the flukes or parasites can rebound. If they seem much better ( just the gill scraping symptom now) then perhaps thats the way to go. You can stop the maracyns though.
If it was flukes, they are tough and they do take a long time to reduce in number to the point where they are no longer a threat. Your fish will be at a low after fighting this and need perfect water and excellent nutrition now to recover fully. Eating without spitting is excellent news- good job.
Hello!For the Maracyns, I've used it for 5 days straight.
Now, for the Prazi-Pro, I've been running it as such: 2 days on, 3 days off, 2 days on, 3 days off, continuing for 2 weeks. I just finished the second 'two days on' yesterday. How long should I continue the treatment?
I've been having some trouble with my healthy fish biting at the sick fishes' tails. Their tails have had a few shreds with a few black spots and red veins. Are the black spots the result from ammonia burn? Thanks!!
hlim
Well there has been talk of this black smudge phenomena on the board elsewhere. Seems to be that the black pigmentation spots appear after medication. A kind of skin reaction. I don't think it's to worry about unless it gets fuzzy or sore looking. You have run a large amount of meds - is your cycle still all-right?
I don't have the prazipro- I mix my own meds- so I am not sure of the prazi strength. A good rule is to do the treatment exactly as the bottle says. When I used praziquantel I did a second round of it to kill the emerging eggs. The fish were fine with that.
Healthy fish will nip on a sick fishes fins yes and a fish that is fighting back after disease is going to be open to secondary infections so you are going to have to watch those tail splits and I suggest you separate the fish if at all possible and just keep them in perfect water as you medicate with the salt (and if you are going to- prazi).
Just read back and please ignore my mention of salt. That was what you did first...
Devs advice about running the maracyns and prazi seems to have worked for you and as I say try to concentrate on getting them to eat - any food. It maybe doesn't have to be medicated. Just food!
Ah.. I've been doing the 2 on, 3 off, 2 on thing because I read that that is what Rick recommends.
I called Hikari USA today about my liquid Prazi-Pro and the lady on the phone said that the shelf life is two years. Now, I'm a little concerned at this point because it seems like my bottle might by older than two years. When I bought it, there was a very thick layer of dirt and dust on top, and the bottle was also very compressed. Compressed as in all the gas on the inside has leaked out and air pressure outside is greater than the pressure on the inside, causing the bottle to sink in. So I'm thinking, this must be a very old bottle. Here are some pictures of the bottle (I did not squeeze it):
Trinket, can you say I have been using Prazi-Pro with good results? My fish are still occasionally scratching pretty vigorously, even though they are eating fine now. I ask you because I was thinking about trying to return the bottle tomorrow, unless you think it is working. Then I'll probably order some of the pure form from goldfishconnection.com.
Thank you!
hlim
I called Hikari USA today about my liquid Prazi-Pro and the lady on the phone said that the shelf life is two years. Now, I'm a little concerned at this point because it seems like my bottle might by older than two years. When I bought it, there was a very thick layer of dirt and dust on top, and the bottle was also very compressed. Compressed as in all the gas on the inside has leaked out and air pressure outside is greater than the pressure on the inside, causing the bottle to sink in. So I'm thinking, this must be a very old bottle. Here are some pictures of the bottle (I did not squeeze it):
Trinket, can you say I have been using Prazi-Pro with good results? My fish are still occasionally scratching pretty vigorously, even though they are eating fine now. I ask you because I was thinking about trying to return the bottle tomorrow, unless you think it is working. Then I'll probably order some of the pure form from goldfishconnection.com.
Thank you!
hlim
I think you have obviously done something right as your fish are somewhat better. They are eating and are not on the bottom.
They don't seem to be out of the woods yet however.
Compression of a can is never a good sign. I don't know exactly how it would affect the contents of fish meds but combined with a suspect expiry date....mmmm. Not good.
Prazi pro is actually mild. It contains only 5% prazi and can -I just read -be used as a preventative. It sounds very mild. The stronger prazi on the other hand (more expensive) is a higher concentrate and would be better for a severe case of flukes.
I have one Q- are you sure the tails are being torn by the other fish? I only ask because torn fins are also seen in fluke outbreaks. It is one quite common symptom of flukes.
Hmm.. Though I often witness my healthy fish nipping at my sick fishes' fins, I am not 100% sure that my sick fishes' fins are being torn because of that.
I will try to return my bottle tomorrow then. Is the Prazi Q being sold at goldfishconnection.com the exact same thing as I am using right now (just different company and still a milder version of Prazi)?
Thanks for always replying to my posts and questions, Trinket! I really appreciate all of your help.
hlim
I will try to return my bottle tomorrow then. Is the Prazi Q being sold at goldfishconnection.com the exact same thing as I am using right now (just different company and still a milder version of Prazi)?
Thanks for always replying to my posts and questions, Trinket! I really appreciate all of your help.
hlim
Yep thats the one. Its his version of the (milder) prazi pro I guess
Hello!
On Friday, I went out to my LFS to try to get a refund for my old bottle of Prazi-Pro. Instead, they gave me a brand new bottle which seems to be working better now. I haven't caught my fish scratching or anything, and they are as lively as ever. All of them have developed a bad habit of nipping at each other's tails, however. I shall continue with the treatment for two weeks.
One question, should I turn off my hoodlamp when treating with Prazi-Pro? I read that in Ranchugirl's list of medications. My dad says that my lamp is made for live plants (I don't have any live plants), does that mean its a UV lamp?
I also bought a very, very, very adorable Pearlscale fish for my new 10 gallon tank. Are there any precautions I need to take when taking care of a Pearlscale? For example, would it be a bad idea to treat one for ich using salt? etc..
Thank you!
hlim
On Friday, I went out to my LFS to try to get a refund for my old bottle of Prazi-Pro. Instead, they gave me a brand new bottle which seems to be working better now. I haven't caught my fish scratching or anything, and they are as lively as ever. All of them have developed a bad habit of nipping at each other's tails, however. I shall continue with the treatment for two weeks.
One question, should I turn off my hoodlamp when treating with Prazi-Pro? I read that in Ranchugirl's list of medications. My dad says that my lamp is made for live plants (I don't have any live plants), does that mean its a UV lamp?
I also bought a very, very, very adorable Pearlscale fish for my new 10 gallon tank. Are there any precautions I need to take when taking care of a Pearlscale? For example, would it be a bad idea to treat one for ich using salt? etc..
Thank you!
hlim
I think you'll need to start another thread for pearlscale care advice - sounds cute though-congrats. Make sure he is separated for at least 3 weeks from the other fish.
The prazi pro should be good. Run it the full course, monitoring your params every day. Take out your carbon if you have it or it will absorb all the meds. UV means steriliser usually not lights but anyway fish being medicated dont need lights. Low lighting is less stressful for them. I should turn off your hoodlamp- it sounds a very strong one.
Don't get the meds on your skin. Good luck, so glad things are going well.
The prazi pro should be good. Run it the full course, monitoring your params every day. Take out your carbon if you have it or it will absorb all the meds. UV means steriliser usually not lights but anyway fish being medicated dont need lights. Low lighting is less stressful for them. I should turn off your hoodlamp- it sounds a very strong one.
Don't get the meds on your skin. Good luck, so glad things are going well.
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