Kristi
Jul 7 2007, 10:56 AM
They're in front with my silver hatchets and swordtail also in the pic. As you can see, the silvers are much larger than the marbled. And they are really hard to get a good picture of--the marbles seem to be more shy.
FishCrazy
Jul 7 2007, 11:19 AM
i really like hatchet fish

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that is a good pic.
alistairw
Jul 7 2007, 12:08 PM
Cool. i like how silver they are. shiny
FishCrazy
Jul 7 2007, 12:11 PM
sorry i had to add this
they look like your tank's bling
Sushi67
Jul 7 2007, 02:41 PM
That swordtail really caught my eye. What a pretty fish.
balashark
Jul 7 2007, 03:01 PM
Cool effect, swimming at the top like that. Great lookin fish in both pics there (this one and the feeding frenzy).
Selena
Jul 7 2007, 03:37 PM
Nice photos! I haven't seen silver hatchet fish before. I like your marble hatchet fish....very pretty!
Kilope
Jul 8 2007, 08:49 AM
Wow! That's amazing, I don't think I've ever seen a fish like that... ever.
What a unique shape. I love the bright silvery colour too.
Great photo.
nabki
Jul 8 2007, 10:37 AM
those look cool... but why are they called hatchets?
are they compatiable with goldfish by the way?
FishCrazy
Jul 8 2007, 11:46 AM
QUOTE(nabki @ Jul 8 2007, 01:37 PM) [snapback]676940[/snapback]
those look cool... but why are they called hatchets?
are they compatiable with goldfish by the way?
they are called hatchets because the are shape just like a hatchet.
i wouldn't have them with goldfish because the hatchets wouldn't get any food.
Peaches
Jul 8 2007, 11:50 AM
They look great!
QUOTE
those look cool... but why are they called hatchets?
are they compatiable with goldfish by the way?
There are a few reasons. One, the hatches are tropical, and goldfish are cold water. second, they require different diets. controling what fish gets what would be nearly impossible. third, when the goldfish get big, they may see the hatches a food. and last, the hatches may pick at the goldfish. eating their slime coat.
FishCrazy
Jul 8 2007, 11:52 AM
QUOTE(Fuzzy Peaches @ Jul 8 2007, 02:50 PM) [snapback]676956[/snapback]
They look great!
QUOTE
those look cool... but why are they called hatchets?
are they compatiable with goldfish by the way?
There are a few reasons. One, the hatches are tropical, and goldfish are cold water. second, they require different diets. controling what fish gets what would be nearly impossible. third, when the goldfish get big, they may see the hatches a food. and last, the hatches may pick at the goldfish. eating their slime coat.
how can they get the slime coat when the mouths of the hatchets are pointing upwards?
Hatchets are also only feed from the surface of the water...
Kristi
Jul 8 2007, 01:25 PM
Thanks so much everybody! It took quite a few tries to finally get a pic that wasn't blurry.
Yeah, the hatchets are really shiny and add a lot of bling bling don't they!
I don't know about hatchets eating slime coat because they don't bother any of the other fish in my tank. They do move each other around sometimes but I don't see them nipping fins or anything. So hopefully they would be safe with a goldy if you had to put them together for awhile. However, it's true that it would be best not to mix the two at all.
Peaches
Jul 8 2007, 02:00 PM
Ive read that like guppies, hatches can sometimes be a little nippy. They go up to the goldfish and in a way, they bite it. they are eating the slime coat. its not going to really hurt the fish's scales or anything, it will most likely just stress the goldfish out. They just simply arent compatible.
nabki
Jul 9 2007, 06:28 AM
ok, as for feeding, no problem i have a 'special' way of feeding my tropical and gold fish at the same time, so that each eats the food theyer supposed to eat. pm me for more info on that.
and if hatchets are similar to guppies i think i know how to stop the nipping...its all in what you feed them(also pm for more info)
as for the temprature, our house temp is almost always at 22*c, with the fishtank at exactly 24*(thanks to my hydor heater:)). i cant get it any lower, and ive seen a lot of goldfish being put in indoor fountains that are always over 35*c, and live for ages up to 13yrs(its all in getting them used to the high temps at a young age. it also works with dojo loaches, althou the ones i get are from al-barada river that is always 23*c+)
me, and others i know have been sucsseful at raising platies and guppies with goldfish and dojo loaches

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Peaches
Jul 9 2007, 08:16 AM
Can i have the info here? I cant pm you yet. you dont have enough post.
I have kept guppies and goldfish together. It worked ok in the begining, only some nipping, but it got worse. To the point where the goldfish were getting really stressed out. Then i walked in my room one day to find one of my goldfish with something blackand yellow hanging out of its mouth. It was the tail of one of my female guppies. he had already eaten the rest.
Shamu23
Jul 9 2007, 10:19 AM
yeah, i'd like to know how u'd do that too. Hatchets and goldies shouldnt be kept together.
balashark
Jul 9 2007, 01:10 PM
Remember guys, its not so much a matter of what you can get away with, IMO the idea is to provide the best possible. The "ideal" requirements of tropical and coldwater fish can be very different. Guppies and goldfish are both very adaptive, other fish are not so much.
Also, you may be able to get your fish to get along, but I'd like to clarify that no amount or style of feeding is going to curb the natural agression found in some fish.
nabki
Jul 9 2007, 11:19 PM
the main idea is that guppies are smaller than goldfish, so they can get into smaller spaces.
what i do is feed my goldies with flakes, pellets, ect... and then put a few tropical fish feeding tablets(spira i think) into a bottle with a wide mouth, not wide enough for a goldfish to go into. then i just put the bottle into the water

. of coure the technology (lol) involved in the process has changed and improved with time, but the concept is still the same.
as for stopping your guppies from biting goldfish... you know how alcoholics smell? or how some types of food(like curry) have this smell tha comes out of your skin? same works with goldfish.

would a guppy still like to eat your goldfishes slime coat if it tastes like toilet?
of course ther still are some of the most narcotic guppies out there who have this weird death wish of being eaten alive by angry goldfish...
Shamu23
Jul 10 2007, 08:06 AM
I still dont think its a good idea to put them together
Peaches
Jul 10 2007, 09:03 AM
I still have a few concerns though. one, the guppies can still get the goldfish's food. two, goldfish are what seems to be always hungry. Even if you have just feed them, they will still go after a smaller fish. three, how are all the guppies going to know where the food is. even if you train them, it would still be very inaffective. I cant amagine seeing my 30+ guppies all go into a bottle.
Also, how would you make the goldfish smell? so the guppies dont pick on them???
balashark
Jul 10 2007, 09:25 AM
Aw man, I was hoping to keep reading and see that they get dunked in the toilet each morning to keep the guppies away

only kidding.
There are obviously people that keep them and other combinations of fish together with some success, but its not generally recommended.
nabki
Jul 10 2007, 11:15 AM
fuzzy, what do you feed your goldfish? i feed them pellets and processed shrimp, and they havent touched them since i introduced feeding tablets.
getting the goldfish to stop eating the guppies, i have no answer to that. and yes, the goldfish dont feel hunger, since they dont have a stomach or a 'hunger center' in their brain and theyer continuus feeders.
as for how the guppies know where the food is, most(probably all) feeding tablets emit a smell that attracts the fish. the method im currently trying is multiple tablets behind a plate thats close and parralel with the glass. i dont know if thats going to work with 30+ guppies thou lol

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how to make goldfish smell?a daily dip in the loo as suggested by bala might work, althou i dont recomend it. the other way is to NOT use products that have sexual phermones in them and feed the fish a lot of vegetable matter (lettuce works best for me) and colour enhancing foods.
and as a note: NEVER, and i mean NEVER put pearlscales with guppies, because the guppies will peck their scales off. even if the pearlscales are sprayed with eau de outhouse on an hourly basis.
sorry for writing a book guys!
Peaches
Jul 10 2007, 11:21 AM
I've been feeding my fish bloodworms, shrimp, flakes, pellets and peas. an ocassional ornage or zukini(sp). Ive been feeding these things since ive joined kokos. at that time, i kept the goldfish with the guppies until octoberish. in september and october i started having major problems.
Shamu23
Jul 10 2007, 04:01 PM
I wouldnt try it. Why dont u just keep them seperated? Dont u want whats best for all fishies?
Mariah
Jul 10 2007, 06:25 PM
great pic!
nabki
Jul 10 2007, 09:29 PM
origanaliy i only kept dojos and goldfish only, but later i was had to take a few guppies and platies from a freind who was unable to keep them, because he was going to go and work in saudi arabia. it would seem rude if i said 'no' to him.
thats when i started to keep them in the only suitable tank i had. so far ive had them for about 8-9 months without any problems, except once when one of them *vanished*. i do want whats best for all my fish, and im giving them the best i can.
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