im prolly not posting in right section but its worth a try i added melafix yesterday to my 55gallon cuz i had a wen nipper in the tank. i removed the naughty little fish and dosed up some melafix to prevent infection. cheelys wen is a beautiful red but today its a light orange with some sort of white mucus comming off it ive done alot of researching and found nothing. his wen has no holes or craters just turning orange with that mucus. do u guys think the melafix is doing its job or maybe hes got an infection? hes eating good and swimming around i love orandas but this is what makes me want to give up on them too many wen problems thankyou guys please help..jewels

Oh dear.. it's hard to say whether it's due to the Melafix or not. It could be a pre-existing/developing infection or problem or it could be some kind of reaction to the Melafix?

Is there any white mucus anywhere else on his body? What is the usual tank Ph and what is it now, after the first dose of Melafix? Double check you haven't had a Ph crash. Maybe reheck all of your parameters if you haven't already.

It may be worth while stopping the Melafix just for now, doing a large water change(s) to dilute down the Melafix and change it out and then just observing for now - if it is a reaction he should recover with clean water, if it's another problem I'm not sure Melafix would be up to it anyway and would need futher assessment/investigating. It may be better to keep all of this info in your existing diagnosis thread, maybe a mod will review it for you and suggest the next course of action

well i just checked and ph is normal about 7.6 or 7.8 thats what it stays. theres no other mucus comming from body at all my other oranda looks great no wen changes on her. i just did a 50% water change before i added the first dose of mela fix will it hurt to do another 50 or should i do less? im so worried about cheeky i called my lfs and the guy said not to put him in QT just yet. you know, when i human gets a wound and when it heals you know the white covering that covers the scab? well this is kinda what it looks like im worried cuz his wen has changed to a orange color though if you think i should a water change than ill do it thankyou so much!

Hmmm.. to be honest I'm not too sure. Can you get a pic of the mucus on his head? Was this present before you started treatment with the Melafix?

I think, if it was me, I'd stop the Melafix and just go with clean watar for now and yes, I'd do another water change, of up to 50% if it was me (providing you have a good established cycle) - particularly if your not sure whether the Melafix caused it, change it out. I've not heard of that response to melafix before so I'm not sure if it is "normal" or not. Hopefully, a mod or helper will review your thread soon and offer some more advice

cant get a pic but its kinda like a stringy white mucus. ill do that water change and go from there ill also put back in the carbon to take out that melafix. ill tell ya wens are to complicated! im going here poor cheeky... i wont do a gravel wash only cuz i did one 2 days ago. thanks again for the help

did the water change and guess what? cheeky is acting normal what the heck??? i tested the water before all good and no ph changes or nitrite,nitrate or ammonia change water is perfect. now im confused and wondering maybe cheeky had an reaction to the melafix. dunno but, orandas are nice to have but i wont buy anymore ill just keep the ones i have and hope for the best

Oh that's good news Maybe recheck your parameters tomorrow and change some more water to get back on track. Whatever wound he has may heal up quite well with just clean water alone, particularly if it is quite superficial and he shows no other signs of infection. It's a bit bizzare - I've never heard of Melafix having that effect before. Just keep monitoring it.

Don't be put off Oranda's, they really aren't much more difficult to look after than other goldies, same principles. Maybe you've just had some bad luck with wens.

thankyou for the help! maybe a mod will read this and give other info also. bizzare is right well, you know stranger things can happen maybe this being one my other orandas wens look nice and heathly and perfect so ya your right maybe just bad luck with certain wens. well cheeky made it through ick and hopefully he will recover and be able to show off that beautiful wen again

well this day cant get any worst! i checked on cheeky and well my new oranda just ate part of his wen! i put cheeky in QT for now until well i dunno im confused! whats with all the mean orandas?! im going to put my lionhead in the pond today so the oranda doesnt eat him alive i think im going to relocate cheeky when or if he gets better why do orandas mess with the wen? first its the weird melafix problem then a oranda being mean poor cheeky what should i do?

Oh no! What a day you're having! I think you've done the right think by seperating Cheeky, either put him inQT alone or take the naughty Oranda out for now and keep the the Lionhead and Cheeky together, whatever works best. I think Cheeky needs some peace and quiet. Keep the water quality as good as possible, as discussed above, and hopefully whatever damage will start to heal up. I'm not sure what else to suggest at this stage, just give Cheeky and time and space for now and plenty of clean water. I'm not sure whether it would be appropriate to start feeding some medicated food such as Medigold as a precaution? You could also try low-dose salting to reduce stress? I'll let someone else clarify that

Wow! That is weird! 1st I hope your fish heals well! 2nd This is not a problem inherent to Orandas! Actually I don't think I've heard of it before. A wen eating Oranda??

((Just me but I would take a good look at that wound. You might want to dip a qtip in a little peroxide and gently clean it out. Maybe that would help the healing along.))

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Wow! That is weird! 1st I hope your fish heals well! 2nd This is not a problem inherent to Orandas! Actually I don't think I've heard of it before. A wen eating Oranda??

((Just me but I would take a good look at that wound. You might want to dip a qtip in a little peroxide and gently clean it out. Maybe that would help the healing along.))
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thats what i did and the wound fizzled over white. hes in QT and will remain for awhile im soooo

omygosh, now the wen is falling apart!!! i just checked on him in QT hes not looking good.

Oh no There must be some underlying cause for it, I don't think a reaction to Melafix you gave him alone could do that, can it? Maybe it's just trauma from where he was nibbled earlier and lose bits are coming away. I don't think there's much you can do to prevent it. Just go back to basics and make sure hes has some peace and quiet, take all steps to reduce stresses, good water, well filtered, well oxygenated, stable temp and keep him under observation. I hope he recovers from what ever is going on. I think I'd definately start him on some medicated when you can though just as a preventative. Can you tell any other physical symptoms? I've pm'd a mod for you, to see if they can help.

Edit: here is the link to your earlier thread which leads on to this one (so others can see what's going on)
http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/...topic=59979&hl=

Did you actually see the fish damage the Oranda's wen?
Any time a fish is injured with any sort of "hanging parts/skin",you have to really seperate them.I had a Bubble eye that popped his bubble,and he had the sac hanging loosely around his eye.I swear that every other fish took a bite of it.I think it's just natural if they see something sort of" freeswimming" past them,to automatically assume its food.
The thing you want to be aware of is,was it really a fish biting the wen,or the beginnings of hole in the head disease,which has been quite a popular disease this year for Orandas.
Pristene water is of the utmost importance,and seperating him was a good idea.
What are your actual water param readings?
As mentioned,the shredding could be part of the original damaged wen,but should not continue on.I personally would feed some medicated food.I don't normally like to automatically dose with meds,but I do know that when it comes to wens,it can change for the worse overnight,so I'd personally feel safer feeding the med. food,as mr b. stated,more preventative.Keep an eye out for any unusual behaviors, any redness or new deterioration to the wen as that may be a secondary infection setting in.
Since you've allready done the Peroxide,I would not do that again.If you feel the need to do anything with the wen itself,you can smoothe a dab of neosporin on it.How much more wen has he lost since the original damage?
As for the Melafix,I know alot of people think highly of it,but I've found personally that I have just as much good response using perfect water and sometimes salting to 0.1% depending on what is actually going on.

water parms are 0 nitrite,10-20 nitrate 0 ammonia and yes i seen the other oranda take off some wen it happened after the water change. he got frisky and just attacked him so i separated and now cheeky is byhimself. ill do the med food and keep the water perfect ill keep you guys posted on what happends over night.

cheeky died thankyou for all the help given today. im just going to keep the new oranda in the 55 gallon by himself. why he attacked cheeky is a mystery or even why cheeky died. but, yes the new oranda just kept chasing him around and picking on the wen until chunks came out it was gross his wen was bleeding as well. so thanks again for all the help

So sorry Jewels!! Poor Cheeky...

Oh no....that is sad news I'm so sorry you lost Cheeky, you did everything you could to help him - things happened very quickly didn't they? I think he must have had some underlying problem going on? Again, I am sorry - I was worrying about Cheeky last night and wanted to check in and see how he was doing this morning, it is so sad

I'm sorry. That's awful.

so sorry about Cheeky