djmeehan
Aug 13 2006, 01:46 PM
I have been reading about electrical serges and current in my tank, And went and bought a power serged plug witch has my filter and air pump into it, It allows four different things to be plugged into it,
Will this be enough so my little fishys do not get shocked if i ever get a power serge?, Is there any other things witch i could buy to make sure my fish will not get shocked if i ever get a power serge or out burst of electric,
Pictures of the power serged plug below:

Is this enough to stop power serges going into my tank or will i need anything else i just done want to frazel my fish and myself if i ever get a power outage etc etc as this tanks in my room?
Thanks in advance......
djmeehan
Aug 14 2006, 03:09 AM
Can anyone please help me as i dont want to get a power outage and get electricity in my tank or anything do i need anything else besides this plug shown in picture below or will that do it fine?, Or is there anything else witch will stop this kind of power serges??
Help will be greatfulll......
Devs
Aug 14 2006, 03:12 AM
I have one of those on every tank in my house,and that is quite a few.
It's about the most that you can really do.I've used them for years and haven't run into any probs so far.
sandy
Aug 14 2006, 03:14 AM
We only see power surges affecting the computer so thats the only equipment we use them on. Didnt think you would need them for fish tanks.
djmeehan
Aug 14 2006, 03:17 AM
No but they can get serges as i was reading on the pinned topics on this section about probes for the fish tank?, And this plug is a 4 way wer i can wire four different things to the one plug?, I have my filter and air pump running of this

, Is there anything else i can use to stop power in my tank?
Iam thinking about making a probe shown on forum witch is pinned to top of this tanks & equipment section.
Anyone else think of anything witch will stop any power in my water or any power to shock me or my fishies?
Devs
Aug 14 2006, 03:30 AM
There's really not much you can do here.You can use the what you're using to make things safer,but if you're electrical wiring isn't up to date-or you're plugging too many plugs in and short circuiting,or fate has storms,etc. I don't know if there's any thing else you could do.
I use them and yet an old heater exploded in my Snail tank,and killed many of my snails.
Sandy,I use them on all tanks because I have so many plugs going in from each tank-It's just easier and safer when you're using multiple plugs..
djmeehan
Aug 14 2006, 03:36 AM
Thease ground probes are ment to stop this it states in the post located here:
http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/...showtopic=41152It's ment to stop fish from getting current in the water so the fish wont get shocked ?? Im a little confused here, if i make one of thease probes will it be a less chance of fish getting shocked from a power serge or sumthing?
Iam going to get make this ground prob

, Just a little question does the end of it have to be Titanium rod or spoke, Can i just not place the wire inside the tank with the Blade terminal on the opisite end of this not safe and does it need to have a rod on?
djmeehan
Aug 15 2006, 05:21 AM
Anyone got any ideas on this has its very bothering me as i want my fish to be free of power serges or outbreacks witch will put current in my tank?
Another quick question to the ones above, Thease spokes on bikes will rust will this not cause any harm as ive left a bike out in water before and the spokes of the wheel do actaully rust so iam thinking it will rust the same if its in the tank all the time?
Help will be greatfull.
daryl
Aug 15 2006, 05:39 AM
Stainless steel is a goodmedium for making a tank probe for grounding a tank. Titanium is a great material.
The tank probes are grounding wires. For example, if your heater were to crack and the tank's water were to come into contact with the water, your water could become "hot".
Electricity has to have a "goes-in-to" and a "Comes-outta" part. Current that comes from a broken heater will not harm your fish or you as long as it has no "comes-outta". When you stick your hand into the water, though, you complete the circuit - making it possible for the electricity to flow through the heater, into the tank's water, out your hand, through your heart and to the floor through your feet. This will shock you. This is what you want to avoid. When you complete that circuit, the potential to complete it for the fish in the tank is possible too.
When you put a probe into your water, you are essentially completeing a circuit at all times. You are giving any electicity that may be in the tank a place to go - it goes into the grounding connection in the socket you have wired it to. This will "drain" off the electicity in the event that you have current through your water. You still must examine your heater (main culprit) and other pieces of electrical equipment that are used in the tank on a regular basis.
A surge protector is designed to stop "surges". These are periods of uneven electrical current that comes when the power is disrupted in one fashion or another. We have all seen brown outs - this is where less "goes-in-to" is received from the electical system than normal. A brown out is very hard on equipment, but will not necesarrily shut them down. Most equipment can survive short brown outs with little problems. Brownouts can be avoided only by running your equipment on back up battery packs. I have batteries that hold all the important pieces of tank equipment on every tank. These batteries are rated for about 72 hours of power. They kick in automatically whenever the power goes out, or is less than a certain percentage of normal.
A power surge happens when more power than normal is sent through the circuits. Have you ever noticed your lights getting brighter and brighter all of a sudden? That is a surge. This, too, is hard on equipment. A surge protector is a circuit that is designed to trip when it senses too much power running through a circuit, turning everything off. The power surge bars can work well. A power surge in my area here is a very rare thing.
Most cheaper "surge bars" have a circuit breaker in them. Any time the current is outside of a set of parameters built into the bar, the breaker trips and cuts all power.
If you have a ground probe in your tank, you can run the probe end into the grounding hole in your surge bar.
In general, you do not want a complete circle of power in your tank, unless you control it. If you have a goes-in-to, you need to have a safe goes-outta. The ground probe allows for this. The surge protector is simply a way to prevent too much power from going through your equipment and destroying it.
Does that help a bit more?
djmeehan
Aug 15 2006, 06:08 AM
Yes that makes me understand much much better and i will be making on of thease probes witch is told in another thread how to do so, Thanks every so much for taking your time to explain that to me that helps a lot and i apriciate it
One last question, It states to use spokes of a bike wheel? Thease spokes of bike wheels rust when being out in water has i found when leaving my bike in the rain al spokes rusted?
Will this not happen when the spoke of the bike is used for a probe will it not rust through being in the tank water?
thanks for your time to explain and hope someone can answer this last question on ground probes.
daryl
Aug 15 2006, 06:24 AM
If a wheel spoke rusts then I would not use it. I use electrical wire - stainless steel for mine. I have to clean the algae off them, but they do not rust.
djmeehan
Aug 15 2006, 06:33 AM
You dont use any spoke?, Also the wire do u just have the wire hanging into the tank or do u have a stainless steel rod what u use to put inside the tank?
What would be best thing to use to have inside the tank just the wire running from socket and have it hanging in the tank ( as long as wire is stainless steel and is insulated?
Thanks....
daryl
Aug 15 2006, 08:28 AM
I actually have a stainless wire that I have stripped the insulation from the end 6 inches. This is coiled and dropped into the water at the corner of the tank. The wire is soldered to a probe that fits into the ground hole of a three pronged socket hole in my power strip - with a ground fault interupter to blow the circuit in the case of a ground fault.
djmeehan
Aug 17 2006, 04:56 AM
Right, So i get stainless steel wire and probe and solder the wire to the probe and hang the probe into the tank?
Then about the plug part on the opisite end from the plug is just one peace of wire, Do i wire this up inside a plug the 3 pronged plugs, And wire it to the earth part witch is the longest pronge on the plug if iam right?, Is this the way to do it and just wire the probe to a plug but to the earth pronge?
Or even so wire it to my serge protector plug and wire it to the earth part on that, Will it work this way and earth it through the plug socket?
Hope someone can help. ( I have the stainless wire and rod ( Spoke but stainless steeel from hardware store just waiting to what to do ?)
djmeehan
Aug 18 2006, 03:41 AM
Anyone able to help me out on this i have everything to make this probe now just need best way to do it like ive mentioned above
I'd be very greatfull if someone could get back to me.
Thanks in advance
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