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Anic
Test Results for the Following:
~Ammonia Level? -- 0
~Nitrite Level? -- Between 0.1 and 0.2
~Ph Level? -- 7.6
~Ph Level out of the Tap? -- 7.4
~Tank size (How many Gals) and How long has it been running? -- 29 gal, about a year
~What is the name and size of the filter/s? -- one AquaTech -Size ?
~How often do you change the water and how much? -- 80% every 2 weeks
~How many fish in the tank and their size? -- 3 fish (with tail 4in, 2.5 in and 2in)
~What kind of water additives or conditioners? -- Stress coat
~Any medications added to the tank? -- No, only salt (just added)
~Add any new fish to the tank? -- Yes
~What do you feed your fish? -- TetraFin goldfish flakes
~Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt", bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? -- Rash looking spots all over the 2 big fish's bodies.
~Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, ect..? -- They stay at the bottom with fins clamped and sometimes they flash on the gravel.

I didn't notice until today because I've moved their tank to infront of the window. I figured that since they get light most of the day, the light didn't need to be on all the time. I turned it on after changing the water and noticed the "rashes" on them.
I looked in the "disease" thing that has the list of diseases and I put in 1tsp of salt per 5gals. The thing said tbs. I didn't know if it meant tbls or tsp, so I put in the smaller amount. I can't get pics and this is pretty much all the info I have right now.

Can someone help?
Devs
1 teaspoon per gal. Hun will get you the 0.1%
Does this rash look like red patches-sounds like it could be bacterial.Your Nitrites are awful high too.Sometimes when you get the water to the right place,things will often go back to normal,unless their immune system is low and they've gone into a secondary infection.
What are your Nitrates?
Sounds like you really need to start doing more frequent water changes too.It doesn't take too long for 3 fish in a 29 gal. to screw up your params.
Right now,I'd do a 50% water change-with matched temps/treated,and wait an hour or so and take another reading .Your nitrites should be at 0,so you'll have to continue changing out water until you get that corrected.No other signs,symptoms? unsure.gif
Anic
No, no other signs. I just did a water change (about 50-60%) and then added the salt. I didn't notice until after the water change. I don't have a test for NitrAtes. I can get a test tomorrow when we go into town.

Oh geez. This stinks.
Devs
Just keep an eye on them.Between fixing the water,an salting to 0.1%,maybe we'll get lucky here.Finger's are crossed! exactly.gif
Anic
I really hope it fixes itself with the salt and the fresh water. I hope I can find a nirtAte test by itself without all the other tests. If not, that's ok.

I'll keep a close eye and come back if anything new happens. Thanks for your help Devs!
Devs
The major chains usualy carry the Nitrate tests. People are always so worried about the Ammonia/Nitrites,that sometimes you just don't realize how easy Nitrates can climb,and the illness that can come from that.
If your Nitrates are high,these big water changes will help alot.Take a sample of water to the LFS when you go,and get their readings. smile.gif
Anic
You're just speedy all over the place, aren't you? lol. I guess I can do that. How much water should I take?
Devs
Well Dear,our tests are done with what? 5ml. of water? I ususally use a clean baby food jar-have even useda pill bottle that you get from a pharmacy,so you really don't need alot of water. biggrin.gif
Anic
We didn't go to the petstore like I thought. I looked for the 5-in-1 dip strips but as luck would have it, they were out.
The filter is being strange and slow, so I put two airstones in the tank to help with aeration.
They're fins are still a little clamped, but they're moving more. I hope they'll be ok.

edit: I'm going to take the filter apart and de-gunk it to see if that will help speed it up a bit.
Ranchugirl
Anic, any news on the fish? Got a grab on those test kits yet? smile.gif
Anic
Tye died last night. I found him this morning. The other two fish haven't moved much since I put them in a hospital tank. I did that so I can completely disinfect the 29G. I'm almost positive that they won't make it, but I'm trying.

I went to get the Nitrate test and they STILL didn't have any. If they don't have any tomorrow, I'll scream.
Devs
sad.gif Aw Ash,So sorry to hear that Tye lost the fight.I know how bad you must feel. heartpump.gif
Was the hospital tank allready up and running,or is it not cycled?What size tank is it?When did you put the fish in it? Are they still showing signs of clamped fins and such?
Anic
QUOTE(Devs @ Aug 9 2006, 10:00 PM) [snapback]558772[/snapback]

sad.gif Aw Ash,So sorry to hear that Tye lost the fight.I know how bad you must feel. heartpump.gif
Was the hospital tank allready up and running,or is it not cycled?What size tank is it?When did you put the fish in it? Are they still showing signs of clamped fins and such?


Oh my goodness! Questions! Ok... here we go.
No, the tank wasn't already up. (I know, bad me! It was a last minute decision)
The hospital tank is a 10G (I know, bad me again!)
I put them in the same day Tye died. (Yet again, bad me!)
Cracker is really the only ones with clamped-looking fins. Rowan is swimming around like a doofus and sometimes plays with the thermometer. Cracker's fins aren't completely clamped. Her pectoral (the front flippy ones are pectoral, right?) just hang and both of their dorsal fins stay down. Cracker also won't move much unless she needs to.

P.S. I FINALLY got a nirtAte test. Geez! I'll go test the hospital tank water and post the results here when I get them.

The red patches are gone from Cracker's body. Their tails are still a bit pink, but not as bad as before.
Anic
Ok! I went ahead and did nitrIte also.
NitrIte: 0.05
NitrAte: 0
LaurieP
Ashley sorry to hear you lost one.

With nitrites, this is not good. Any chance you can post the ammonia reading as well?

I would work to get that down asap and keep it there.
Anic
It's been a while since I've been on.

Cracker died, too. Now it's just Rowan in the 29 with some minnows and a snail. I can't do an ammonia reading because my sister lost the bottle. I'll need to buy a new ammonia test Sunday.

I'll do another nitrIte test for the 29 and post back when I get the results.

Edit: I've noticed a little black on Rowan's tail-tip. Should I worry about that?
Devs
cry3.gif First Tye,and now Cracker......Oh hun,how awful. one is bad enough to handle. heartpump.gif
The black tips that you're seeing on Rowan,sounds like ammonia burns which are now healing-an obvious sign that your water was definately having param probs. But the black is showing that you are now in the process of clearing those water problems up,so that is a good sign. smile.gif
Test again. Try and save about 15.00 and get yourself the API test drop kit.It is soooooo worth the money in the end.You'll have all the major tests that you need all together,and the kit really does last for a long time. Believe me,I know that sometimes money can be an issue with alot of people,but it should definately be a priority purchase.It may keep you from losing any more fish. {{{hugs}}} heartpump.gif
Anic
I have a "deluxe" test kit with 2 different pH tests, gH, kH, Co2, nitrAte and ammonia tests. I had to go buy my nitrIte test (like $12) and today I'l have to get a seperate ammonia test because mine is lost.

Rowan had a little bit of the 'rash' when Cracker and Tye were in there. Now that they've gone, Rowan's (still unsure of gender) are completely cleared up. Just those little black tips. S/he is being really shy, too. Won't come out from under one of the plants, so I'm gonna buy some more for him/her to hide in.

Oh, nitrIte was 10. ignore.gif
Devs
ohmy.gif Ash,that's a bad number,it needs to be at 0,so you know what that means....Get to the water changing. exactly.gif Fish can't stay in that very long at all,and not have some bad effects from it. unsure.gif You know how it goes-cycled tanks should read 0 for Ammonia/Nitrites,and safest under 20 for Nitrates.
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