my black moor is coming down with finrot

i've seen the marble fantail nipping at the tail

i cant list the test results(sorry)

help!!!

Unfortunately because you cannot answer the questions asked above it makes it extremely difficult to give you definite answers. Can you at least answer as many as you can. And if you have access to a water testing kit please post those results.

If you have a fish fin nipping at your sick fish then this is a problem too. Added stress to the fish. Do you have a Quaranteen tank on hand? If so I would use it.

Finrot can be due to bacterial infection which results from Fin Nipping, Parasites, Poor water quality, stress.

In my occurance with Finrot.. the cause was stress related and was brought on by poor water quality. The number one step to help this problem is to adress the water situation right away. Proper water changes need to happen more frequently. I would advise you to try to get a water test kit. That alone tells us a lot of information and we can help you a lot better if you had those values for us.

Salting is a good idea however I'd address your water quality first.. and find out if there is a problem there. Your fish will need a strong immunity to fight whatever ails them. The NUMBER one way to prevent all problems is perfect water conditions.

You could also use a medication called MELAFIX to help aid in healing. But that has a very strong odour to it. I have used it in the past but didn't notice any speedy recovery. Perfect water quality is your answer... even if you did twice a week partial water changes for a while and see if that helps out.

Are you able to get any other kind of antibiotics from your lfs?

I had a goldie with fin rot before...I used Maracyn plus, it treats the fish directly not the water. 2 teaspoons per 10 gallons. Barbra is right you need to move the other fish, their nipping is only makeing things worse.

As was requested, having as much information (questions found above) will help in diagnosis. Also, quarantining the fish with the problem is the best start.

If you have no "instant" quarantine tank, may I suggest that you put a tank dividor in your tank? If you do not have one or your tank is not configured to allow for one, you can get a floating basket or colonder and scoop the injured fish into it. Float the basket in your tank, drop food in for the isolated fish, etc. The water from the tank will flow through the basket, but the fish that is nipping the tail cannot have access to the injured fish.

This done, you can treat the tail/fish as you need to, without the other fish causing further damage.

ok,but what i dont get is that those two were friends before,and now one of them is nipping down on the other's tail

Animals are weird creatures I'm afriad. Usually a weaker animal/fish is picked on. It's like that in the wild and in your tank as well. Most likely he's being picked on because he's already stressed out and weak. Not because all of a sudden he looks like a cheeseburger or something.

Please updated us on your situation and we'd love to hear your answers for the above questions

I have researched your earlier threads about this fish. I see that you've had previous questions about it's condition. I really want to make sure that we get you some answers and helpful hints so we need to confirm a few things from you.

REG...Are your 3 fish still in a 1 gallon tank? If so.. I would advise against this and at least get them into a tupperware tote for the time being. I know you said that you can't get another tank.. but things could have changed since then.

Do you have a filter on this tank?

Are you still only cleaning it every 1 to 2 weeks?

Is it still having long thin whitish poops? And are it's fins still clamped down to it's body? You posted this information a couple weeks ago with regards to your black moor and I'm wondering if it's still the same. Please let me know because all these problems could be related.

You were able to provide water paramaters then so we are looking to hear from you with some results here as well. It really really helps us help you.

Thanks

If one is biting the other it will be due to cramped conditions. Though foldfish like to have company they also need space and if they feel cramped they will fight. It would be a bit like you and a brother or sister locked in a cupboard, you will get on for a while but soon get frustrated.
Please try and get your fish at least a 20 gallon tank.

no,they have been put in a 10 gallon tank

and they're 4 fish actually,i bought 2 new one a few days after my 3rd fish died

no,the fish's fins are not clamped anymore

and,yes,the tank obviously has a filter

i change the tank every week

REG, unfortunetly even in a 10 gallon tank you are going to have issues. GF as you are aware need 10-20 gallons each, depending on whether they are fancy or commons.
With knowing this the water is going to need almost daily attention and partial changing in order for the fish to not get sicker. And I am sad to say even then you are probably facing a very hard road.

Are you able to provide a better environment?

yes i can put in some stuff that might get them comfortable

I think by better environment Laurie means a larger tank, not adding things to their current tank, if that is what you meant. In fact, with being overstocked already adding things to the tank might reduce the swimming space and room even further and make things worse.

From my own experience, before I knew better, I can tell you that having four fish in a 10 gallon tank will be an uphill battle that is rarely won. If money is an issue, you can use a Rubbermaid plastic tub or start looking for used tanks...your local freecycle site, craigslist, classified ad5 and garage sales are good places to start. I got a 55 gallon tank with stand, two filters, air pump, gravel, hood and lights for $110 used, a very good deal. And let me tell you, once your tank is properly stocked, has enough filtering and is cycled you will actually have a lot less work to do, even if the tank is much larger!

Good luck.

im using a rubbermaid tub,but the fish need something clear so im stumped on that

but i remember my mom stashing a clear rubbermaid box somewhere

The fish don't need a clear tub.... They just need enough room. The glass tanks that we have are merely so we can see them swimming around. So it's us that requre the clear tanks

REG can you provide us with water paramaters please.

And please understand that we are really trying to help you here ... not gang up on ya.

Barb is right, we want to help you but you have to help us as well. We need to know the test results to advise you on your water.

And I did mean they need more gallons of water per fish. If you are able to house the fish in a rubbermaid that is good, but it too needs to be big enough.
Does that make sense?

amonnium 0.5%
nitrite 0.0%
chloramine 0.0%

Ok, ammonia is still there so the water is still bad. You are missing a couple levels.........nitrates and PH, both of which are important. What are those?

I would continue doing small water changes everyday while the tank is cycling...........but then again since you are way overstocked, the tank may never cycle.