Don't worry Lucy, this disease is pretty rare. Stop feeding tubifex, and start using different equipment and if haven't started her on an anti-biotic, I'd try that first. Does she have tankmates? Keep her nice and warm.
I don't really know too much more than what I just told you...maybe Toothless can help you more.
Full Version: Verity Has This Lump Thing..
I did find that post by Sandy about those nasty tubifex worms.
http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/...l=tubifex+worms
I also think you should take a stab at trying to treat her . Good luck . I hope she gets better
http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/...l=tubifex+worms
I also think you should take a stab at trying to treat her . Good luck . I hope she gets better
I have been doing some digging on the web and found an article that suggests a treatment for it.
here it is
http://www.fishyfarmacy.com/fish_diseases/body_cavity.html
and another
here it is
http://www.fishyfarmacy.com/fish_diseases/body_cavity.html
and another
I personally think its bacterial. It would be sad if it was and skipped over treatment to try and treat something it wasn't. Not much is known about sporozoan parasites and I think that either very few or no treatment has succeeded. I definately think you should treat for whatever she has, but remember, when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.
Thanks guys 
We cant get med foods here either.. what would be the best antibacterial med to get?
If that doesnt work and I move on to treating for parasites, the link you provided Kris, suggests prazi.. where do I get that in the UK? do I have to have it shipped?
Edit: the first lump appeared amost a month ago now! if it was that parasite would she have survived this long? ..would she have survived this long if it was bacterial too?
We cant get med foods here either.. what would be the best antibacterial med to get?
If that doesnt work and I move on to treating for parasites, the link you provided Kris, suggests prazi.. where do I get that in the UK? do I have to have it shipped?
Edit: the first lump appeared amost a month ago now! if it was that parasite would she have survived this long? ..would she have survived this long if it was bacterial too?
the site I got the article from was for koi but I am sure the med will probably work. There is a way to order it online. i am in th states so I can not tell you where in the UK to get it. hopefully Sandy,Blue , or MrBumblbee will see this post . I know they all live in the UK and Sandy is a helper so she might be the one to know.You may need to pm her. i hoping for the best for Verity
Hi Lucy, I was just looking at your replies on UK Betta. It's sooo difficult to know where to go treatment wise, but I think it's more likely to be bacterial than parasites, I'm not sure why I think that though.
As for anitibacterials, as you know, we don't exactly have much choice in the UK. You've tried eSHA200 before which is probably the best we have. I'm not sure how well Myxazin would work with Bettas and whether it treats internal bacterial infections either. Maybe try a repeat course of eSHA200 before moving on to something else?
If it doesn't budge, maybe we have to assume it is a tumor or growth afterall
As for anitibacterials, as you know, we don't exactly have much choice in the UK. You've tried eSHA200 before which is probably the best we have. I'm not sure how well Myxazin would work with Bettas and whether it treats internal bacterial infections either. Maybe try a repeat course of eSHA200 before moving on to something else?
If it doesn't budge, maybe we have to assume it is a tumor or growth afterall
Hi Mrbumblebee, she thinks it is parasites because she was feeding tubifex worms before this all developed. I think she is thinking the parasites in the tubifex had collected and caused the sprorozoan infestation.
Yea.. they werent wonderfully helpful over there.
I was going to try the esha2000 with a bit of salt, as you read over there. I think I will isolate her, as the corys arent showing any sypmtoms and I really dont want to stress them with salt.
I'll set her up with a QT tank today.
The second lump isnt going anywhere, it looks like if it gets any bigger it will burst. Its like a huge blister. The best way to describe it now.
I've fed these tubifex before and nothing bad happened.. is it just luck?
The waterlife ones are good I think http://www.waterlife.co.uk/waterlife/myxazinp.htm
but are they better than esha2000?
I was going to try the esha2000 with a bit of salt, as you read over there. I think I will isolate her, as the corys arent showing any sypmtoms and I really dont want to stress them with salt.
I'll set her up with a QT tank today.
The second lump isnt going anywhere, it looks like if it gets any bigger it will burst. Its like a huge blister. The best way to describe it now.
I've fed these tubifex before and nothing bad happened.. is it just luck?
The waterlife ones are good I think http://www.waterlife.co.uk/waterlife/myxazinp.htm
but are they better than esha2000?
Yeah, I thought there might be more specific advice than that too. Worth a try though, it's always good to get lot's of opinions on something I suppose.
I'm not convinced about parasites to be honest, tubifex related problems are very very rare I think.
I think I'd go with the plan of repeat eSHA2000 and salt just to try and rule out a bacterial cause for good.
Not sure about Myxazin either, eSHA2000 has reportedly worked miracles for some people. I think as you have that to hand already, repeat the course and take it from there.
We all really hope Verity gets better Lucy
I'm not convinced about parasites to be honest, tubifex related problems are very very rare I think.
I think I'd go with the plan of repeat eSHA2000 and salt just to try and rule out a bacterial cause for good.
Not sure about Myxazin either, eSHA2000 has reportedly worked miracles for some people. I think as you have that to hand already, repeat the course and take it from there.
We all really hope Verity gets better Lucy
it is worth a try. Anything is bettter than nothing. I hope someting works for her
Thought I'd post this link, in case others have not heard of this stuff and don't know what we're talking about
http://www.eshalabs.com/esha2000.htm
http://www.eshalabs.com/esha2000.htm
Thankyou both I set up the hosp. tank already, just need to put her in it now (im cleaning other tanks and wanted to do hers last).
I set up the hosp. tank already, just need to put her in it now (im cleaning other tanks and wanted to do hers last).
hope things work out for the best for you. here is wishing for Verity's recovery
hmm, Sandy say's myxazin is better..
NO offense Mrbumblebee but Sandy does know a lot about this kind of stuff
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NO offense Mrbumblebee but Sandy does know a lot about this kind of stuff
I wouldn't disagree Kris. I said I'm not sure whether Myxazin would treat it better, I only suggested repeating the eSHA2000 because Lucy already has it at home
Ive only just read through this post. Sorry Lucy.
I agree that myxazin is the best treatment for bacterial issues but theres a lot of stabbing in the dark as to exactly whats going on here. If you only have esha then use it.
As youve fed tubifex you cant rule out sporozoan parasites, have you fed the others in the tank the same thing Lucy and none of the others affected? As the cysts are lifting the scales that to me suggests sporozoan.
Its good youve isolated her.
If none of the others have it then the chances are its not sporozoan or the others will have lumps as it spreads.
So you see the dilema really.
Im going to go and research a bit more. Let us know if any of the others in the tank have any lumps too.
I agree that myxazin is the best treatment for bacterial issues but theres a lot of stabbing in the dark as to exactly whats going on here. If you only have esha then use it.
As youve fed tubifex you cant rule out sporozoan parasites, have you fed the others in the tank the same thing Lucy and none of the others affected? As the cysts are lifting the scales that to me suggests sporozoan.
Its good youve isolated her.
If none of the others have it then the chances are its not sporozoan or the others will have lumps as it spreads.
So you see the dilema really.
Im going to go and research a bit more. Let us know if any of the others in the tank have any lumps too.
Lucy how is Verity doing ?
Verity is still the same as yesterday really. Acting fine still.
Its really hard to see if the corys have any of the lumps as they are in a heavily planted tank and are really skittish as they have so much hiding space. They are always behind the bogwood, if they are out, they go there if they see me. I'll try my best to look at them. Although I'm not sure they liked the tubifex, Verity may have eaten it all. hmm, but I fed it to all the fish, goldfish and everything and they are all fine.
Verity is definatly less immune to things though, since that jump.. would sporozoan attack weaker fish or any fish?
Its really hard to see if the corys have any of the lumps as they are in a heavily planted tank and are really skittish as they have so much hiding space. They are always behind the bogwood, if they are out, they go there if they see me. I'll try my best to look at them. Although I'm not sure they liked the tubifex, Verity may have eaten it all. hmm, but I fed it to all the fish, goldfish and everything and they are all fine.
Verity is definatly less immune to things though, since that jump.. would sporozoan attack weaker fish or any fish?
From the symptoms and pics all i can come up with is sporozoan parasites Lucy.
All you can do is keep her comfortable and keep the water clean.
Let me know if they burst wont you, i got it the wrong way round. If they leak fluid its not as bad as nothing at all.
All you can do is keep her comfortable and keep the water clean.
Let me know if they burst wont you, i got it the wrong way round. If they leak fluid its not as bad as nothing at all.
ok, thanks
I've been googling.. and found some stuff on this sporozoan thing. I think its this parasite 'Myxosoma cerebralis' but stuff I'm reading on that (like this http://nis.gsmfc.org/nis_factsheet.php?toc_id=146 ) says its protozoa.. I dont think thats the same thing as sporozoa is it?
I dont know Lucy, but I think theres many sporozoans out there.
Eeep! Sorry I took so long to get back to you.
Yes that looks very similar to what my goldfish had. If it makes you feel any better, all his take mates were uneffected. Unfortunetly, I dont have any pictures of what his lumps looked like. :-(
If you see whitish fluidish stuff coming out, I would say that its the same thing.
I'm so sorry. Hopefully its not that and you can beat it.
Yes that looks very similar to what my goldfish had. If it makes you feel any better, all his take mates were uneffected. Unfortunetly, I dont have any pictures of what his lumps looked like. :-(
If you see whitish fluidish stuff coming out, I would say that its the same thing.
I'm so sorry.
Hopefully its not that and you can beat it.
furunculosis is liquid coming out.
Thanks Andy
I havent seen anything come out of it yet
Is furunculosis different then?
I havent seen anything come out of it yet
Is furunculosis different then?
Seems bettas can get, i thought just goldies or i would have said
http://www.fishjunkies.com/Diseases/furunculosis.php
http://www.fishjunkies.com/Diseases/furunculosis.php
ok so I'm hoping the burst and turn out to be that, which is treatable.
Any news on Verity Luce?
She's ok, still alive
The lumps have stopped getting bigger, they may have even got smaller. But her overall health isnt looking good. She's slowing down a lot and resting on the bottom more. The last few days she has been off her food, she will only eat about 1 quarter of a pellet each feeding time.
Shes really scared of me now, which she has never been, when she see's me, she will dart around finding a place to hide
The lumps have stopped getting bigger, they may have even got smaller. But her overall health isnt looking good. She's slowing down a lot and resting on the bottom more. The last few days she has been off her food, she will only eat about 1 quarter of a pellet each feeding time.
Shes really scared of me now, which she has never been, when she see's me, she will dart around finding a place to hide
Aww thats a shame she hides as it may be a sign that all is not good, if you see what i mean so prepare yourself.
How old is she?
How old is she?
Yeah, at first it seemed she would never swim with her biggest side facing me, as if she knew that was the vunerable part of her.
I'm prepared, its what I look for when I wake up every morning.
I got her last november, she wasnt tiny, but not adult. So I'd say she's only around a year old now.
I'm prepared, its what I look for when I wake up every morning.
I got her last november, she wasnt tiny, but not adult. So I'd say she's only around a year old now.
Still young then. Hope for the best
Ok, well its been wey over a month since I last posted in this thread. So will update.. that Verity is still going stong. Except her lump is HUGE!
I spoke to Dr. Peter Burgess (Practical fishkeeping magazines fish health expert) at Festival of fishkeeping and he was kinda shocked when he saw the picture. Except my camera batteries ran out so he couldnt get a good look at it. I am emailing him the picture and he said he will try and help figure out what it is and if there is a treatment.
I spoke to Dr. Peter Burgess (Practical fishkeeping magazines fish health expert) at Festival of fishkeeping and he was kinda shocked when he saw the picture. Except my camera batteries ran out so he couldnt get a good look at it. I am emailing him the picture and he said he will try and help figure out what it is and if there is a treatment.
Have you had a feel of it? Try and touch it carefully and see if its soft or hard. Looks like its about to burst
I know lots of things have been discussed. But is there the possibillity that maybe she is egg bound? I don't know. Seems like we have discussed every other possibility on this thread. Just a thought
I did try and have a feel, but I was scared of stressing her and making it pop or something. I'll have another go.
I would be able to see the eggs if thats what is filling the lump. As you can see from the picture, it looks like pinkish fluid filling it. You can see her internal organs in the background in there.. like that white lump in the middle.
I took that picture a couple of weeks ago now. Its still the same though.
I would be able to see the eggs if thats what is filling the lump. As you can see from the picture, it looks like pinkish fluid filling it. You can see her internal organs in the background in there.. like that white lump in the middle.
I took that picture a couple of weeks ago now. Its still the same though.
Sounds like fluid and blood mixing. It could be waht we would call a boil and if it was a person would be lanced and antibiotics applied.
I reckon you should medicate the water with an antibiotic such as interpet #9 and get some thing to cover it, can we get waterproof creams here? Ummm maybe an iodine tincture or PP to cover it as her insides would be showing. Its going to pop so may as well do it for her and be ready.
I reckon you should medicate the water with an antibiotic such as interpet #9 and get some thing to cover it, can we get waterproof creams here? Ummm maybe an iodine tincture or PP to cover it as her insides would be showing. Its going to pop so may as well do it for her and be ready.
That's what I was thinking too. You could open it for her so it would drain the excess fluid pff and then take a q-tip and put neosporin ointment on it and rub it on the wound afer you get down draining it and do as Sandy says with the aintibiotic in the water
Dont know if we get neosporin in this country. Can anyone suggest an alternative perhaps?
woooot - found it luce http://www.skinstore.co.uk/showmanufacture...p=GoogleUK_2440
woooot - found it luce http://www.skinstore.co.uk/showmanufacture...p=GoogleUK_2440
that would be it. I used it to rub on one of goldies split fins she had from and injury
Poor little Verity I hope she makes it through.
I hope she makes it through.
So I would be able to find that neosporin in Boots, or Superdrug? ..I cant really order online, might take too long aswel.
I just joined this forum and I can't believe it, my little female betta, Waffles, has the exact same symptoms as Verity. Her lump started appearing 2 months ago and it kept getting bigger. She acts perfectly normal, eats normally, comes to the glass whenever I come near the tank, but she is getting very unwieldy and not swimming as well as she use to. Please keep us posted with any new developments.
Hi jinyu. If you start a new thread and post a pic of your fish if possible then we can try and see what kind of lump it is.
Lucy try the bigger branches of chemists as they will more likely stock it.
Lucy try the bigger branches of chemists as they will more likely stock it.
Hey Jinyu fan, I hope whatever I find out can help your girl too!
Thanks Sandy.. I'll try some chemists today.
Thanks Sandy.. I'll try some chemists today.
Heres the reply from Peter Burgess.
ooooh, I dont know what to doooo..
He said about lancing it, to make a small cut.. is that better than a small hole with a needle? I could get a very small piercing needle and drain it through that, as they are hollow. I would have thought a cut would get infected more easily, bleed more etc. etc.
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I have taken a look at the picture. From the image alone, my best-guess would be some sort of tumour. But given you report a similar lump having grown and then shrunk, is somewhat at odds with my tumour theory (most tumours get bigger, not smaller). So I am puzzled as to what it might be. A microsporidian infection is a possibility. But it could possibly be bacterial, or viral.
Ideally, I would try and locate a vet who has some experience in fish medicine, as s/he may decide to tap off some of the fluid and examine it microscopically (to look for parasite spores, for example). Or they may decide that it is a tumour which is best left untouched.
I cannot formally encourage you to lance the lump, as this surgical procedure ought to be left to a vet. But if you do resort to this approach, I would make a shallow cut. Obviously, keep the fish in isolation (who knows, the cut could release infective spores...) Medicate the water with an antibacterial (eg Melafix) to reduce the risk of infection.
Ideally, I would try and locate a vet who has some experience in fish medicine, as s/he may decide to tap off some of the fluid and examine it microscopically (to look for parasite spores, for example). Or they may decide that it is a tumour which is best left untouched.
I cannot formally encourage you to lance the lump, as this surgical procedure ought to be left to a vet. But if you do resort to this approach, I would make a shallow cut. Obviously, keep the fish in isolation (who knows, the cut could release infective spores...) Medicate the water with an antibacterial (eg Melafix) to reduce the risk of infection.
ooooh, I dont know what to doooo..
He said about lancing it, to make a small cut.. is that better than a small hole with a needle? I could get a very small piercing needle and drain it through that, as they are hollow. I would have thought a cut would get infected more easily, bleed more etc. etc.
My male betta has the same lumps. He has been fine with them for almost 3 months and is acting totally fine the only big difference is that now mine is starting to pinecone. On one of the earlier pages you said something about them being where the kindeys and the testes were, with mine being a male he has them so maybe thats what's wrong with him.
I hope you find out and can fix what is wrong with your Verity
I hope you find out and can fix what is wrong with your Verity
Thanks Courtnie, I have my fins crossed for your boy to get better
Maybe it could be bacterial then and one of yours might have popped on the inside or started to affect the kidneys.. yeah..
Maybe it could be bacterial then and one of yours might have popped on the inside or started to affect the kidneys.. yeah..
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