Sushi67
Jun 21 2006, 05:32 PM
Well I stopped in a store to see the price for a 10 gallon but it was to much so I was going to leave and looked but I stopped at the bettas real quick. WOW! The containers were clean, the fish looked happy and very pretty. One female really caught my eye. Her tail looks different that normal veil tail, could she be a crown? She has small rays that branch off her tail and fork at the end, like a snake tounge (all her fins are very spikey). I really want her to be a crowntail so I could breed her to my male instead of breeding my veiltail. She is very active, maybe a little aggressive as well.
Anyways, I would love to know what guys think. Is she a crowntail, veiltail or some hybrid?
My new betta is on the left. The one on the right is the female I have with my male.
d_golem
Jun 21 2006, 05:49 PM
Looks like a plakat female, not crown, not veil, nor hybird. Plakats do have ray extensions, but not as long as crowntails.
Ur other female is definitely a veil.
What type is ur male?
Sushi67
Jun 21 2006, 05:59 PM
My male is a crowntail.

I found this picture.

My new girls tail looks like that but blue. Its hard to see in my picture because my camera is old and needs a lot of lighting or else pictures turn out blurry and dark. I will try to get better pictures.
d_golem
Jun 21 2006, 06:22 PM
No need for more pics

ur female is like mine (pictured below) which is a plakat.

A crowntail female should look like this:

See that it has more pronounced ray extensions in all single fins (caudal, dorsal, and anal).
Sushi67
Jun 21 2006, 06:31 PM
Whats the fish in the picture I provided? Is it a plakat because I swear it looks just like my new betta but different color.
I've seen CT bettas for sale online that have short fins. Maybe she is just ugly XD
I'm still very happy with her. Something different for a change.
d_golem
Jun 21 2006, 08:25 PM
The fish in the picture u provided is indeed a plakat, the same as ur new female.
CT females all have short fins

but long ray extensions
It's good that ur happy with her, and personally the plakat is better to pair up with ur male CT.
FinnyFinnedFriend
Jun 21 2006, 08:43 PM
the female is what is called a comb tail, and is where the crown tail variation split off from, At least from the best of my knowledge! wow, a pet store with happy bettas heck has frozen over! Shes ether a comb tail or a crown tail, that is certain, but I put my money on combtail shes verry purty!
FinnyFinnedFriend
Jun 21 2006, 08:46 PM
uh ive never heard it called a plackat. . or a plaucket . . .aw I cant spell. . .
Sushi67
Jun 21 2006, 08:55 PM
Thanks for the help. Plakat, crowntail or combtail she is still special and I'm very happy with her.
lol, I agree. Very hard to find happy bettas. The funny thing its one of the stores(company not the exact store) that everyone hate because the bettas are always sick and dead.
d_golem
Jun 21 2006, 09:15 PM
QUOTE(FinnyFinnedFriend @ Jun 22 2006, 12:46 PM) [snapback]537981[/snapback]
uh ive never heard it called a plackat. . or a plaucket . . .aw I cant spell. . .
It's Plakat
Plakat is the name given by westerners to short-tailed betta variation. It stems from the Thai word Pla (fish) and Kad (bite), so Pla Kad means biting fish.
Most wild-type plakats like sushi67's (and the fish in her pic) and mine always has the fringe thingy on the fins.
FinnyFinnedFriend
Jun 21 2006, 09:18 PM
Lol, yeah I remember now Duh -thwacks self on forehead-, but the fringe thingie I have heard refered to as combtail, whatever it is it is quite pretty
oh careful if you try to breed the veil tail and the crowntail, crowntails are really agressive. . . they can kill a non crowntail mate so you have to keep an eye on them spawning.
Sushi67
Jun 21 2006, 09:36 PM
I was stupid and put the divider in wrong so the female(veiltail) got over to him and they started breeding(about 4 days ago)! All she had was one small tear. Lucky when I walked in it made them stop and calm down. Found no eggs in nest and saw about 3 on the rocks so I guessed they had just started. Imagine 100 fry in a 2.5 gal. Now I have the 10 gal all set up. May place male in tomorrow or next day. I want to be able to keep a close eye on them.Both are very gentle though. No signs of agression. No need to worry, I know the basics and have gotten lots of great info from members here.Thanks for the help!
FinnyFinnedFriend
Jun 21 2006, 09:38 PM
let us know how it goes! I can imagine all the happy swimming fisshes, what are you gonna feed the fry?
Sushi67
Jun 21 2006, 09:57 PM
Have lots of brine shrimp hatch already and plenty of egg to hatch. Still confised about infusoria. I've done what was recomended, Lettuce and pond water in a jar. Some where I heard just using pond water will work if the pond has been up and running for awhile. Would you happen to know if this is true? It would be easier to just use a dropper and pond water.
FinnyFinnedFriend
Jun 21 2006, 11:19 PM
I cant say for sure on the pond water, I would follow the directions for the lettuce setup personaly, I wanna see pictures of the babies when they hatch!!! I am a little jealous though, I wanted to breed bettas but good bettas are sooooo expensive. . .
d_golem
Jun 22 2006, 04:38 AM
For infusoria, no need for lettuce and pond water and all that stuff. Just put a clump of Java Moss or any water plants e.g. anacharis in the spawning tank and let it receive lots of light for a few days. Voila, infusoria ready in the spawning tank.
hayden014
Jun 22 2006, 08:17 AM
oh how r ur fry d golem i cant wait to hear bout them in other topic
FinnyFinnedFriend
Jun 22 2006, 09:18 AM
Hmm I will have to try that if my goldies ever breed. . .
Sushi67
Jun 22 2006, 11:01 AM
I've yet to find those plants. Only things I found are glasses and plants with thick leaves. So I'm still going with the pond water and lettuce.
FinnyFinnedFriend
Jun 22 2006, 11:03 AM
bettatalk.com you can order java moss, ferns and those micrioworm and eel culture thingies
d_golem
Jun 22 2006, 12:01 PM
I just think the pond water and lettuce thingy has greater chance of going "bad" and u end up not feeding infusoria to ur fry, but bacteria rather.
Microworms are a much better solution.
Sushi67
Jun 22 2006, 03:20 PM
I know what you mean. I do fear that I may hurt them by feeding them it. I will be sure to try to hunt them down.
While at the pet store the other day I saw liqid food for newly hatched fry. I have no clue what it was. It was in a tiny bottle. It said to just put a couple drops in for the babies every time you feed.Any clue what it might be? Should I try it?
d_golem
Jun 22 2006, 05:25 PM
I'm pretty sure the liquid food is not for ur fry, even though it said so in the packaging. I'm more inclined to say that the liquid food is to boost the infusoria growth which in turn will be eaten by ur fry.
If feeding betta fry is as easy as putting a couple of drops of liquid food in, then no breeders will ever go to the lengths of culturing BBS and MW

live food is undoubtedly the best
Sushi67
Jun 22 2006, 06:24 PM
I have BBS shrimp already hatch, although they aren't much use to feed now. I will have to hatch more when I breed . I'm going tomorrow to get new bloodworms for all my fish so I will check what it says again maybe buy it to play with.
d_golem
Jun 22 2006, 07:16 PM
From personal experience, most betta fry won't be able to eat the BBS until at least 1 week old.
Sushi67
Jun 22 2006, 07:45 PM
I've read that. The fist batch I hatch because I wanted to see if it worked. I'll really try to find microworms.
I've been reading around and it seems that some don't use infusoria but start with egg yolk and microworms and then BBS after 3 days or so. Also read that you can't use egg yolk that much because it rots. I'm gonna try my hardest to find those worms tomorrow. I'm still conditioning my female and male so I have lost of time. If it comes to it I will have to beg for my mom to order microworms an vinegar eels.
Thanks for all the info, it really helps.
d_golem
Jun 23 2006, 02:53 AM
Egg yolk is suppose to be good, but I've tried using it and the fry just wouldn't touch it (they eat, and spit it out again). Live food is still the best for very young fry and u can slowly wean them off it as they get older
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