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goldfish888
my red oranda with a huge wen on his head is floating upside down, he is still alive but he won't/can't eat because he can't right himself. How do I help him?
sandy
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goldfish888
Ammonia normal
Nitrate normal
nitrite normal
ph 7.0
Tanksx 29 g
Change water every week 6-8 gal
2 including him no new fish
stresszyme and prime
progold
bloody streaks due to the fact he hits the sides of the tank to stay on top of the water
he won't eat all he does is stay on the top upside down this started about 1.5 weeks ago
Fishmerised
Does your ammonia/nitrIte test give actual readings in numbers? if so would you post those.

The bloody streaks are more likely a sign of illness or circulation problems rather than damage from hitting the sides of the tank.

Have you tried feeding peas? Boil them soft, squish them so they pop out of the shell and hold your fish right way up so to hand feed it.

Peas will sink so you will have to practically push them into his mouth. Hopefully, he will eat them and not spit them out. They might aid his digestion, expel some gas and get him upright.
Fred' Dad
I have recently learned on another post, that gravel bottom tanks can build levels of H2S. Just in case you are curious, H2S is Hydrogen Sulfide and is caused by anaerobic bacteria that live in areas with low oxygen. (we have lots of it in west texas that comes from drilling for oil and natural gas in areas with big water tables) This is a toxic gas and is released when the fish/filters stir up the gravel. The biggest problem is that the oxygenation of the water is not good enough to expel the gases. It can also be caused by a biofilter starting to go bad. common in canister filters. when you do water changes, do you vacuum the gravel? this causes the release of the gas as well, which makes the tank toxic. and means that you are not vacuuming well. (this is experiance talking not a suggestion on how you are caring for your goldfish) A fish that is floating upside down is not thought to be caused by swimbladder disease, but by H2S poisioning. The best way to test the theory that this might be the cause is to do the largest possible safe water change and see if the fish gets better. If he does, watch for a couple of days and see if he flips back over. if that is the case, you prolly have this problem and you need to consider removing your gravel. not all at once mind you, but a little every day. And improve your oxygenation. Using potassium permanganate at 1/2 strength while cleaning your tank also removes H2S as it reacts with it and breaks the bonds.

the other thing that causes a fish to be upside down is egg impaction which can treated with peas and fasting to expel the gas from the fish. This is not an absolute treatment, the final treatment for egg impaction would be taking the fish to a vet.

Hope all this helps and your fishy gets to feeling better.
queenbee
I seem to have the same problem with my Oranda recently. For the past month he's been acting stranger than usual. He would be upside-down on the bottom moving about then flip up right and swim normally then be right back upside-down. This morning he is at the top of the tank like with swim bladder disease. 2 weeks ago I did a cleaning and 60% water change with very little change in his behavior. 2 day's ago I did a light vaccum and put in an AquaClear 50 filter. Also the water isn't clearing like it should. I do have 2 other regular goldfish that seem ok. he does seem to be eating though. I've had him for about a year and until these other 2 fish were introduced he was fine. I'm going to try the pea's and see if this doesn't help.

tank is 29 gal
all level's ok
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