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Ricky651
Okey..This i donno how..but..i went and test my tank..OMG..scary..MY ammonia and nitrite is so high..Soo...I went and bought this bottom to lower my ammonia and nitrie..is called*STABILITY*..I donno how to use it..i know there a direction..ut..seen i'm so a blonde head..i jux to lost..i want someone to help explain thing easyier for me how to use it..I have a 30 gl....Have anyone ever use this *STABILITY*bottom before...That about it..If someone help me..I will Thanks Them and *HUGE* them..*Wink* heartpump.gif
sandy
What are your actual readings and how long have you had your tank running for? Did you try to do a fishless cycle or did you put the fish straight in? How many fish and what size are they and which filter are you using? How do you clean out your filter as well? How much and how often do you do water changes?
I personally dont know the product you are using.
Tinkokeshi
don't treat the water just yet... what are your values for ammonia and nitrate and nitrite?

you can do a 50% water change, or if you feel that it is necessary maybe a 60 or 70%...

frequent water changes are better than adding any type of "stability" type drop.

waterchange, waterchange, waterchange! smile.gif
Saivite
Hi there,

I would definitely do a water change per Tinkokeshi and then retest. Maybe clean all substrate (if you have any) as well.

Good luck and keep us posted!

S~
Ricky651
okey..will i do water change like 25% or 30%..a week...i only have 3 comet goldfish..they r around 3 or 4 inches..I use a whisper filter..I been having my tank like last summer..so..yeah..so..should i jux change my water like 50%??then??or should i jux use the product??
Ricky651
what is substrate>??mean??
Tinkokeshi
how big is your tank? if you have 3 comets, you will need at least 45-60 gallons.

if your results for ammonia and nitrite were high with NO nitrates... your tank might be cycling. in this case 25-30% waterchanges once a week is NOT enough.

i think more water changes need to be done... getting the water right is not about a "quick fix" by using any type of chemical... it is best to test the water daily, and based on the results, perform water changes.

we need a more detailed description of how your tank is set up in order to help you fix your water issues. could you let us know what the values for the following tests are?

ammonia
nitrite
nitrate
pH

what size is your tank?
how long have you had it?
what type of filter, and it's water turn over rate?

what do you feed your fish?
how much do you feed them?

substrate is the gravel you are using or whatever is on the bottom of your tank.
chico
If your #s are really high, you need to do a fairly large water change immediately.

And you need to do this consistently to keep the #s in check. Your fish can suffer from poor water quality.


I would not use the product. Return it and get some test kits so you can test your water yourself.

Tinkokeshi
QUOTE(chico @ Feb 2 2006, 05:46 PM)
If your #s are really high, you need to do a fairly large water change immediately.

And you need to do this consistently to keep the #s in check.  Your fish can suffer from poor water quality. 


I would not use the product.  Return it and get some test kits so you can test your water yourself.
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i completely agree.. exactly.gif part of the responsiblities of keeping goldfish of any type is to perform frequent water changes. i don't think most of us realize when we first get fish that waterchanges are not once a week or once every two week type chores.

i would also suggest you return the quick fix stuff, and buy a test kit. exactly.gif
sandy
substrate = gravel. Do you use a gravel cleaner?
Ricky651
Awww..UGH..I open the bottom aready..I like to smell everything what i get for my fish..Me is a *DORK*..but..anywase..well...i don;t have much in my tank..jux a fake log..and..1 inhces gravel..i do change my water every week..so..yeah..ummm..i feed my fish like 2 time daily..umm..i have this tank like last summer..is done cylceing..hmm..umm..oh..what # do i get from my test...i don;t have it..i went to my friend house..and..she test it for me and we toss it away..bummer..hmm..but..the test kit..i remember that it was so high it went to a green level..so..that about it..yepper..
greykmb
Is this the product you have?

Stability by Seachem
Ricky651
yes..It that product any good??Can i still use ot even if i change my water once a week??or should i jux stick to water change and don;t use it
greykmb
DIRECTIONS: Use 1 capful (5 mL) for each 40 L (10 gallons*) on the first day with a new aquarium. Then use 1 capful for each 80 L (20 gallons*) daily for 7 days. Fish and other aquatic species may be introduced at any time as long as dosage is maintained for 7 days. For optimum biofilter performance use 1 capful for each 40 L (10 gallons*) once a month or with each water change and whenever introducing new fish or whenever medicating an aquarium

That is a very good product.

First, do a large water change...50% or more (do this immediately)

Second, refill the aquarium

Third, take the cap from the bottle and put three capfuls of the Stability in the aquarium.

Tomorrow add 1 1/2 capfuls (just estimate the half). Repeat ONCE PER DAY until next Thursday when you will do a normal water change and add 3 capfuls (just on the day you do the water change)

Kevin
Ricky651
Thanks..everyone..And thanks Kevin..*wink*..i do that..and then next week i will do a water change and test my tank water and see what the DEAL-E-0!
chico
Just a little note here: if you initially stated your ammonia and nitrItes were really high, you need to perform water changes MORE than once a week to get them under control so your fish won't suffer. This product, "stability" will not remove your ammonia.


Something to think about.
greykmb
QUOTE
Stability™ will rapidly and safely establish the aquarium biofilter in freshwater ... Stability™ is formulated specifically for the aquarium and contains a synergistic blend of aerobic, anaerobic, and facultative bacteria which facilitate the breakdown of waste organics, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. Unlike competing products, the bacteria employed by Stability™ are non-sulfur fixing and will not produce toxic hydrogen sulfide. Stability™ is completely harmless to all aquatic organisms as well as aquatic plants, thus there is no danger of over use...


On the contrary, the facultative bacteria will convert the ammonia to nitrite, then to nitrate...in effect ridding the system of ammonia.
Tinkokeshi
QUOTE(greykmb @ Feb 2 2006, 07:48 PM)
QUOTE
Stability™ will rapidly and safely establish the aquarium biofilter in freshwater ... Stability™ is formulated specifically for the aquarium and contains a synergistic blend of aerobic, anaerobic, and facultative bacteria which facilitate the breakdown of waste organics, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. Unlike competing products, the bacteria employed by Stability™ are non-sulfur fixing and will not produce toxic hydrogen sulfide. Stability™ is completely harmless to all aquatic organisms as well as aquatic plants, thus there is no danger of over use...


On the contrary, the facultative bacteria will convert the ammonia to nitrite, then to nitrate...in effect ridding the system of ammonia.
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it won't remove the poop though...
greykmb
Facultative bacteria are meant to do exactly that !!! What do you think their source of ammonia is?

Kevin
Tinkokeshi
so you're saying with this stability product... the poo will just disappear because the facultative bacteria will break it down? i'm pretty sure there's more to poo than JUST ammonia. the nitrogenous wastes in fish are excreted as ammonia, but that does not account for any plant/fibrous materials digested does it?

if it did break down poo, then nobody would EVER have to perform a water change again with stability. that just doesn't sound right.
greykmb
Stability per se does not eliminate fish poop. It does however aide in the development of the bacterial filter whose primary responsibility is to decay organic waste. Essentially, by using Stability the OP will be seeding their tank with plenty of facultative bacteria to convert the poop to nitrate. Stability also has anaerobic bacteria that have the capability of converting the nitrate to nitrogen which gasses out of the water. However, very few anaerobic bacteria effectively convert because of a lack of anaerobic space in aquariums.

The plant/fibrous material you mention that is left over is mostly carbon compounds which are harmless to the aquatic environment. These carbon compounds (and sometimes phosphorous compounds) are collectively referred to as mulm. The bacteria digest the nitrogenous compounds and leave behind the mulm.

As far as water changes go, I will have to assume you include gravel vacuuming as part of your water change. Yes, vacuuming will go a long way to removing nitrogenous compounds from the aquarium and due to the lack of anaerobic area in an aquarium vacuuming/water changes are the ONLY effective way to keep nitrates under control. In addition, water changes also serve the purpose of providing "fresh" water. In nature the water in a stream/river/lake is constantly refreshed and the weekly/bi-weekly/daily water change is the hobbyists attempt to mimick this natural event.

So, no, it is not possible to just add Stability and ignore water changes. Please note though that the first step I gave to the OP was to do a water change and to continue weekly water changes.
Ricky651
Okey..I'm lost here..but..thanks everyone..*wink*...I think this product rock!!! *ONLY* if u change ur water weekly & vacumune ur gravel..*wink*
chico
Let's just start over here, can we?

The original post stated the ammo and nitrItes were high. Also, Ricky states the tank has been cycled.


Well, if the ammo and titrItes are high, the cycle has gone kaput.


This product will help get the cycle back "quicker"; meaning the ammo, nitrItes go to 0, and nitrAtes will develop. Kinda like BioSpira, which most of us are familiar with.


The entire point is to keep the water quality pristine. Without pristine water, the fish will go downhill fast.

Water changes are very important. Sometimes they are needed more than once per week. That is the important point.
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