fishdude
Jan 30 2006, 07:24 AM
i had recently brought a fantail which is now with an other fantail in a 20g.thee new one had these white spots on its back fins.this is now gone to the other fantail too.now all its fins are covered with white spots.I'am not sure whether is ich.also,my older fantail is not swimming much now and just sits in one corner of the tank.......but the newer fanrail seems ok even though it has the spots.
SOMEONE HELP!!!!!!!!!
glitterfish
Jan 30 2006, 07:28 AM
It sounds like ich to me. Are you familiar with salt treatment?
touchofsky
Jan 30 2006, 07:30 AM
It sounds like ich to me, and I would start with a salt treatment. Use aquarium, kosher, pickling, coarse or sea salt (a salt without additives). Dissolve in tank water before adding.
I would dose a TOTAL of 18 tablespoons of salt. Since 1 tablespoon contains 3 teaspoons, you would add it this way:
18 TEASPOONS of salt, wait 12 hours
another 18 TEASPOONS of salt, wait 12 hours
another 18 TEASPOONS of salt. You now have the final dose added. This will give you approximately 0.3% salt in your tank.
When you do a water change, you would re-add any salt that you have removed by doing the waterchange. So, if you took out 1/3 of the water during a water change, then you would add another 6 TABLESPOONS of salt.
Leave the salt in the tank until about a week after you see the last signs of ich on the fish.
I hope this helps and please keep me posted.
fishdude
Jan 30 2006, 07:34 AM
Touchofsky, i'am not familiar with salt treatment.
Do u mean i should remove the fishes and add the salt or....
i also have some aq plants in there so would it be ok??
I hope the treatment works.
i'll keep u posted........
fishdude
Jan 30 2006, 07:36 AM
oh i just forgor to tell u guys that i had already added some medicine to the tank.So can i still continue with the salt treatment or should i wait and see whether the medicine is having any effect?????
glitterfish
Jan 30 2006, 07:39 AM
Hmm, I dont think you can treat with salt if you have live plants in the tank. Which medicine did you add to the tank already?
I'll let Valerie help you since Im not sure about the plants. Good luck!
touchofsky
Jan 30 2006, 07:43 AM
What kind of medicine did you use and when did you add it?
You can use salt with some plants and not others. What kind of plants do you have?
fishdude
Jan 31 2006, 01:18 AM
i added a medicine called ''Mr.Green''.i ain't sure whether u guys have heard if this as i brought it from India a month ago.Even though i added the medicine there doesn't seem to any change in the fish

.The ich is still there

.
and about the plants,i'am not sure what type.....i'll get a pic of my plants and fish so that u guys can figure out the problem
Reply soon!!!
Devs
Jan 31 2006, 04:49 AM

Well,going by the name of the Med thats Called Mr.Green,I'm assuming that it has Malachite Green/Formalin in it. Any time that you use meds that turn your water blue/blue green,you have to cover your tank because light keeps the meds from working correctly.How long have you been dosing with this med?
fishdude
Jan 31 2006, 05:00 AM
the lfs guy told me to put an ml to every 20lt.So i put 3 ml in my tank.
fishdude
Jan 31 2006, 05:02 AM
Do u mean i gotta have the light on the whole day??
Devs
Jan 31 2006, 05:08 AM

How long has the meds been in your tank? Did the water turn green/green blue from it? Does the bottle say Malachite green or Formalin? If the meds contain either of those,light kill the effectiveness of the med.The tank has to be kept dark when using anything like that.
Also,if you could post all the answer's that you can from the red box above,it would be a great help-We really need as much info as we can get.Thanks.
fishdude
Feb 1 2006, 12:02 AM
it's been two days now since i added the med.The water has'nt turned green/blue and the there's no info of the med on the bottle

.
Sorry Dev,i can't give u all the info as i don't have a test kit.
And wait!!!.......THERE'S one more problem.My fantail's fins with ich are turning blood red now

.It looks as if some fish has bitten it badly.Also,its not swimming much and is extremely scared whenever i go near the tank.it swims around as if its dead

.
well i can give u the following info:
Tank size (How many Gals) and How long has it been running? 20g,about a month.
What is the name and size of the filter/s? Boyu.400lt ph
How often do you change the water and how much? every week about 25%
How many fish in the tank and their size? 2,each about 2 inches
What kind of water additives or conditioners? - Any medications added to the tank?
Mr.green(i'm not sure what kind of med but its for ich)
Add any new fish to the tank? -
What do you feed your fish? peas,pellets
Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt", i think there's ich/grains of salt(i'm not sure but it looks like pimples)
bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? frayed fins
Any unusual behavior like staying
at the bottom, not eating, ect..? the fishes aren't swimming much.
touchofsky
Feb 1 2006, 07:18 AM
Has the ich started to fall off of the fish yet or are they still covered with as many white spots as they had when you first put the medication in the water?
Is it possible for you to take a sample of your water to a good fish store. Most will test your water for you for free. Ask them for the numbers for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and ph. Write them down and post them here. That will help us determine what is going on since this is a new tank and the cycle could not be complete yet.
It sounds like the medication has not been very effective so I would do a big water change of about 50%. Then I would start with the salt treatment. Don't use the other medication during this time. The salt will get rid of the ich and it will also act as a tonic for your fish and give them some protection from nitrites (if your tank hasn't completely cycled).
Please feel free to ask questions.
fishdude
Feb 2 2006, 11:30 PM
nope,the ich hasn't fallen of

.the lfs is very very far away so i don't think i'll be able to test the water.Yeah i'll do a 50% water change and go for the salt treatment.
i hope it works at least this time
touchofsky
Feb 3 2006, 06:41 AM
What is the temperature of your water in your tank?
LaurieP
Feb 6 2006, 07:41 AM
How is the fish doing?
fishdude
Feb 7 2006, 04:54 AM
fish ain't doing well guys

..........it's fins are turning red day by day and he isn't that active.

.
but caused that red color on its fins???
touchofsky
Feb 7 2006, 06:10 AM
The red in the tail is most likely caused by high ammonia in the water. You should do a very large water change of about 60-70%. Re-add the salt that you have removed.
If you have salted the tank following my directions at the beginning of the post, you would have 18 tablespoons of salt in the tank now. Take out 2/3's of the water in the tank and replace with fresh, dechlorinated water, matching the water to the temperature of the tank. Add back 12 tablespoons of salt (dissolve in water before adding).
You are going to have to keep up the big water changes. It is very hard when you don't have test kits to know what is going on, but in my opinion your tank isn't fully cycled and you are having water quality issues along with the ich.
So, for now, do the big water change and re-add the salt. That should perk up your fish. If it were me, I would do big water changes every couple of days for the next few weeks (and again re-add the salt). Hopefully, this will show an improvement in your fish.
Please keep us posted.
fishdude
Feb 9 2006, 03:40 AM
THANKS FOR UR HELP TOUCHOFSKY AND OTHERS!!!!!
my fishies r doing excellent now

.all the wite spots(ich) have vanished!!!
THANK'S AGAIN!!!!!!!
touchofsky
Feb 9 2006, 07:14 AM
I am so glad to hear that the ich is all gone! That is great news.
How is your tank doing with its cycling?
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