how big do these loaches get?would i overstock a 55 gallon w/2 loaches(yoyo and clown) and 2 common gf,plus 2 of these?and not have to move any?

I think that should be fine, just make sure they are gonna get along with your current loaches, what type are they?

clown and yoyo

im just worried about overstockin...more info:penguin bio wheel filter,will diffinately have a good hide-out.

Dont do those kinds of loaches with goldies...

the clowns are gunna get 12 inches easy (perhaps even up to 16) and yoyo's wont like the cold water. I would do a pair of dojo's if you want loaches (get about 8 inches)

dont mix

aww then i have a bit of a prob...oh well,it can wait

dont mix goldies full stop

Don't mix goldies with what? Dojos are fine in with just about everything, including goldies.

Yep,Dojo's are fine with Goldies,but it sounds as if you allready have the Clowns & Yoyo's,am I right?They really aren't the correct type of fish to keep with Goldies.

ok.do i need a heater for dojo loaches?

Depends on what your low temperature is of the year in the tank without a heater, but in general I think in general heating isn't necessary. Dojos are traditionally kept in unheated setups the same way goldies are.

lowest it ever gets where im putting it is like 60 degrees F

Mine did fine at that temperature they are very adaptable fish.

YAY!!!!this saves me quite a bit

sorry littlefishyboy. they aren't compatible. arn't dojos tropical? i went to my lfs to get one and i was told that it would die from cold in my tank. ever thought about rocksuckers? lol. not very useful or pretty to look at but they make a change

Many,many people keep Dojo's with Goldies including myself. I do want to say that I keep a heater in my tank at around 75 or so.The temps in my house flucuate a bit much for me to feel comfortable without one.

when clown loaches get bigger they can be kinda mean to other fish especially smaller ones whom they will eat when the prepare to mate, im not so sure of yoyo's but i have heard they can be bully's as are most botia, dojos on the other hand are cold water fish and do fine with goldies, have a few in my pond. on a interesting side note there are a few known small populations of feril dojos living in the us