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akk0415
My little guy, Winter, is not doing so hot. His tail is more than 1/2 gone. I swear it happened over night. I was doing a water change every other day, 50% one change then 100% the next. He was in a 1 gallon unfiltered tank and I moved him to a 1 1/2 gallon filtered tank. I am using one of those small world filters by pennplax. Do you think this will help if I continue the changes? I knew the tank was small (after I bought it). I am terrified that he might die all because I wanted to keep my husband happy and stay under the spending radar with buying his tank. I always do this. I try to keep it inexpensive and end up buying more and feeling horrible about what I put my fish through.

2 changes ago, there was fin floating around him. sad.gif Anything else I can do? Before the filter I used melafix but I think the filter is more important than meds at this point.
Devs
sad.gif Sorry to hear about Winter. I know how it feels to Keep the peace,I've been there. rolleyes.gif I think the single most important thing that you can do,is keep the water as pristene as possible,and match the temps as close as you can get it to the tank water that he's in.There have been a few on the board,that had to go beyond that & use a Maracyn treatment. I'm all for filtration & a heater for keeping temps consistent myself,but there are alot of people who seem to do fine without it. I'd keep an eye on him for the next few days.If it seems to get worse,then I'd look into the Med treatment.Some fin rot will clear right up,some seem to be a little more tougher to get rid of. Hey,Good luck with Winter!
akk0415
Can I use a heater in a 1.5 gallon? If I get a treatment, I will have to disconnect the filter, correct? Is his tail gone for good? The last fin rot we had never grew back and this is bad. I will do anything I can to make this better. I just really want it settled for good.

The temp in our house has been pretty consistent. Maybe it's that he is in my kitchen...
There's really no where else for him. What's weird is I have another betta in the same set up at my office with more temp fluctuation and fewer water changes.... 100% twice weekly and he does great. In fact, I would say he is thriving. The only difference is the office fish is on flake food and Winter is on pellets.

Does finrot cause them pain? I can't help but think he has to be uncomfortable. crap.gif

BTW, thanks for the quick response. I really appreciate it.
Devs
sad.gif I think on a 1.5 gal. tank,that the heater would be too much,and make the little tank too hot.The smallest tank I use one on is 2.5 gal. If your House is consistent,that should be okay. As for removing the filter,Meds (depending on what you use)it can kill Biobugs. Maracyn if used,should be okay. One member Jenn(fisharenewtome) had a longtime ongoing problem with her one Betta, I think that she was changing the water out so much that it was actually at some point causing even more stress-therefore making the finrot worse-so maybe that's why the Betta does better at work.My betta's use to freak on the water changes too,but I think that they're finally use to them now. rolleyes.gif I don't really know if Finrot actually causes pain.I know that they're under stress,and I know that it's harder for them to swim,which once again may cause more stress,but I can't answer for the actual pain. I am definately no Betta expert though. rolleyes.gif
akk0415
This tank is so new that I really doubt there are any biobugs and the filter is the kind that you replace the whole cartridge. I do think it has ammo chips so that alone will help. I just figured cycling a teeny tank really was impossible. If it is however, I will seed it from my goldie tank and see if that helps. When I did those 100% changes I was rinsing with tap water for several minutes. I am certain that would destroy any biofilter, too. Was I just approaching this all wrong?

I think I will try some meds. This is worse than the last bout. I want him to have enough tail to swim somewhat naturally at the very least. I feel so bad for him. I almost bought an eclipse II for him yesterday. I should have just done it. sad.gif

I think I will start testing the water and doing changes based on the result. That way I won't be adding to his stress unnecessarily. I probably should have done it that way from the beginning.

Thanks Devs. You say you are no expert but you are way ahead of me. I've only had fish since March. I really appreciate you sharing your experience. smile.gif I think Winter will appreciate it, too. wink.gif
TamtheLittleBlackMoor
Aw winter, poor guy, his tail will grow back don't worry. Seychelles didn't have fin rot but he blew his tail (chewed it basicly) and he's reccuperating nicely.

I can only add three things because Devs covered it nicely. 1- Keep his temp constant as best you can. 2- I personly don't use meds unless it's an emergency, sometimes salt works ( 1 tsp. salt per gallon) because it de-stresses the fish and helps return the slime coat enzymes to the healing area. 3- Water, again, needs to be pristine.

Good luck, and best wishes for Winter!
fishrpets
Awww, I'm sorry for what Winter and you are going through. His fin should grow back fine. When I 1st set up Donkey's tank, I put in an airstone that he would roll around and flip in. We thought it was extremely cute and funny until I realized that it had torn off the bottom part of his tail. He had red tips and his tail did get better, but it didn't grow out red again.? This makes me wonder if it could possibly be the filter? Is the suction enough for him to get his tail caught in it? It may be a long shot, but I thought I would throw it out there just to be sure. The tank I have came with the black filter that you suction to the inside wall with a cartridge in it, but I didn't use it because it took up more space than I wanted. I have recently gotten the little sponge filter that you hook to an air pump and it seems to be doing ok but I think he is happiest with nothing. If I turn it off he goes back to building his bubble nest. My sons' bettas are in a 1 or 1 1/2 gallon hex with no filter or anything and they have had no problems. We have had them for at least 2 years. They can be picky little things, huh? Good luck, I hope he recovers quickly.
akk0415
Thanks guys. biggrin.gif

It's definitely not the filter because I added it after I saw his tail floating all around him. It's a small world filter... the kind with cartridges that hooks to the air pump. It was very traumatic for me seeing his tail floating in pieces. I might try the salt. I am just going to treat it like a cycling tank. Test the water daily and do a water change as needed. Once a week I plan to do a large change and vaccuum. If it gets too bad, then I will pull him out and rinse the gravel. But I want to avoid it for now and see if I can get some cycle going and keep his stress level down. After 24 hours his ammonia was between 0 and .25 yesterday so I did a 50% change. I just hate that he is such a mess. I don't think he has been healthy since I got him. He is happier in the larger tank for certain but he still doesn't get eating. He swims away from his food if it is not right in his face. He doesn't like worms or shrimp... only pellets. He is a weird one for sure.
fisharenewtome
OK - I've been nuts lately & am trying to catch up a bit. Yup - I'm the one with the rot (& would you belive a YEAR later he still has it???)

I would save salt as a very last resort. I would really try the water changes first. (Unless you think it is due to a parasite). Salt can be very tough on some bettas (some are OK - some die from it - no way to tell in advance). He can loose alot of the tail & have it still come back (maybe not the same as before but it will be OK). My poor bubba lost so much I thought at some points we were going to have to put him down - but he bounces back every time!

I would watch the water carefully. I would cycle the tank if at all possible with some stuff from your other tank. Be carefuly of the ammonia level. My Bubba (the one with the worst problems) cannot tolerate any ammonia over .25 (& even then it's dicey & he can have rot). I can't miss those tank changes by even a day or it all falls apart on me.

Don't despair! Bubba has been with us for a year now & his fins always look awful but he is the happiest little fish - blowing nests swimming around happily (& sometimes I can't believe it the way he looks).

Hopefully he'll just get better on his own with just the water params. I would also watch carefully & even if it's just that the rot is not getting worse - take that as a good sign & just keep up with the good work!

Good Luck!!!

biggrin.gif Jenn
akk0415
Thanks Jenn. I was very sad today because my work betta that I bragged about earlier has fin rot too. Sooooo, more water changes are in store for me. I feel so guilty because I wasn't changing his water as much as Winter's and he is still in a smaller tank with no filter. I am beginning to wonder if bettas are just too delicate for bumbling me. At least until I can afford larger tanks anyway. sad.gif

I am trying to cycle winter's tank now. I don't think it's possible to cycle the 1 gallon I have at work, especially without a filter, is it? blink.gif

I just want my boys happy and healthy, you know?
akk0415
Just did Maracyn 2 for 5 days and nothing happened. If this keeps moving he's gonna die. sad.gif
Devs
unsure.gif Andrea,Did you also try the Regular Maracyn? There are alot of reasons of what causes fin & tail rot.Seems in the last year or so,there seems to be a strain that is really tough to get rid of.I know Jenn went through the Maracyn,II,If I'm not mistaken a Sulfa drug,etc... As you see,she still han't gotten it under control.Thank god her Bubba's been okay through it all. Even though nothing seems to be helping,I can't stress enough to continue on with the water changes.And again,make sure that the temps match with what he's allready in.The Betta M.D. had Listings for other Meds that help Fin rot,namely Ampicillex,Tetracycline,and Neosulfex,but I've personally never used any of those myself. If you decide to do the Maracyn,do a big water change first,and then introduce the Meds. Don't give up hope yet-He's looking pretty bad I imagine,but there's still hope.Alot of people will tell you that they've been through this theirselves.Hang in there.! wink.gif
akk0415
My biggest concern with using the meds in his water is not being able to do water changes. I will try the maracyn and keep going because if he dies of this I will just feel worthless. I can't imagine how horrible it is to slowly rot until you die. Whatever winter has is a nasty strain. My other betta Taj came down with it too but he is visibly healing and all it took was the maracyn 2. I have thought winter was stabilized in the past but he hasn't grown anything back. If I can get him to eat medigold in a crushed form, should I try it?

He's pretty hungry still at least. I love feeding time because he is so happy to see me.
akk0415
BTW, thanks for sticking with me and offering more advice, Devs. I am willing to try anything and your list might give him some time at the very least. smile.gif
Chishower
I heard about a treatment for horrible fin rot that you could use as a last resort. (I think it was for fin rot) You take him out of the tank and use iodine (maybe?) on his tail.

Lemme see if I can dig the link up.
akk0415
I was going to look too when I got more time. I think it was iodine but I am almost certain I have heard peroxide as well. If this keeps up, I will try anything. He is such a beautiful fish and I think he knows I am worried because he always swims out to say hello when I come near. We are becoming too good of friends for me to lose him is such a nasty way. If anyone knows how to go about that, I would love to hear. Thanks for the help, chrishower.
Chishower
I think the link was on bettatalk, but I cant find it now. It was something along the lines of:

Take paper towel A, soak in tank water, fold and place on paper plate. Take betta and set on towel A, soak towel B, and lay it over his head, eyes, and gills. Dip a cotton swab in iodine and swab the infected fin edges, let it sit for a minute, put him back and pray.

I hope he gets better!
Devs
sad.gif Without looking up an old thread,if I'm not mistaken,Jenn tried the Iodine after someone else suggested it,and it caused Bubba alot more damage from what I can recall. I know going without water changes is tough.You can replace what meds you use when you place new water in though.If you really don't want to try the meds,then your only option really is to go for the pristene water. Usually,when People use Maracyn for Betta's with fin rot,they use the combo of Maracyn & II,together. Triple Sulfa,Jungle Fungus Eliminator are also two more meds that I've seen on Betta Forums being used. I have read that if you do try the salt,use only 1/4 to 1/2 tsp. per gal. & upto 1 tsp.per gal for ill fish. I've only used salt once,and that was what I thought,a do or die situation.Not only did my betta have a really bad case of fin rot,he had Ick which was the first thing he got when he became ill. Nothing was helping,so I went for the salt. By the next day.almost all the Ick was completely gone,and his tail showed signs of all the dead frayed part being gone.He did live through it,and he's still with me today. I must warn you though,that there have been people who used salt that weren't so lucky. I can't tell you what dosage they used though.
akk0415
That's what I did with the maracyn 2. I replaced what I took out with the water change. I just couldn't go 5 days without one. I was embarassed to say that before. I'm glad to know that was okay. Thanks for the heads up on the iodine thing. smile.gif I guess that will be my last resort before his tail goes completely. I'll salt before that. I think I will just load up on drugs today and try them one at a time. I am changing his water daily with a siphon, probably about 85%. The cycle was destroyed with the maracyn. It claims not to do that. But the ammonia levels are crazy high on a daily basis. I am hoping it is reading bound ammonia as well. I removed half of his gravel too so I have less places for nasties to hide and added some gravel from my goldfish tank in hopes of repairing the lost bio filter. Even if I can slow the process, it's better than nothing. Yesterday there was more tail floating. It just breaks my heart to see that.

I'll let you guys know if anything stops this. It seems like it's super rot from krypton or something. It's insane. sad.gif
touchofsky
Interesting observation that the maracyn affected the cycle of your tank. I have kind of suspected that it might, even though the manufacturer claims otherwise.

I, too, had a bad experience with iodine. I swabbed the tail of one of my bettas being super careful to not get it on the gills or anything, and by the next day the poor little guy was dead. I felt terrible, since obviously my cure was worse than the finrot for him sad.gif

My oldest betta was suffering from finrot, and after I lost the previous betta from my attempts to arrest the finrot with him, I decided to stop treating the older one. I just worked really hard on maintaining excellent water (he is in a 5 gallon, filtered tank that has been running for about 18 months) and feeding a good diet. After a month or two, his tail actually healed and it is now growing back. It is never going to be the spectacular tail that he had, and the old guy is getting rather thin now, but no rot rockwoot.gif

Good luck with your guy, and please keep us posted.
fishrpets
For the high ammonia levels you're dealing with right now, do you all think that adding Prime in would help? According to the Seachem Prime website, they say you can add Prime daily when cycling a new tank to help keep the ammonia and nitrites under control. It dissipates in the water in 24 hours. Just a thought? I haven't dealt with fin rot before. I'm sorry you are dealing with this! I hope he gets better real soon! sad.gif
akk0415
I stopped the maracyn and changed to an oral medication by jungle. He LOVES it. It's funny because to me he seems to be feeling better but his tail is below an inch in length and his other fins are starting now too. I test his water morning and night and change it at least once a day. I even test the temps with a thermometer to be certain there is no fluctuation. Still not a change goes by without fin pieces in the water. I can't imagine losing a fish to this. I feel so helpless... I added some salt yesterday out of desperation. He seemed great with it. He is literally falling apart before my eyes. sad.gif

I am praying that the gravel from my other tank gets a cycle moving so at least ammonia won't be an issue.

I just want him to have a tail at this point. Any tail is better than no tail.
fisharenewtome
Sorry to be so long in posting back!

I did try the iodine & can say - it was tough to watch. Alot of fins shredded & he looked to be in distress. I think Bettas might be too delicate for it.

Don't dispair yet. Honestly Bubba has been there, we really did talk about putting him down at several points because the rot was almost up to his body but we were able to get a handle on it. (& the little thing looked so happy swimming around - his fins looked terrible shredded bits-but he looked happy)

I still think I would try the Maracyn combo if you can, unless you see improvement on the Jungle med (I personally had absolutely no luck with it at all with my superstrain!)

Is there any way to put at least a small filter in there? (Like the smallworld ones?)

I think that would help.

I would also not change the water if the params look OK - I have found that too frequent water changes also rotted my bettas's fins (I suspect it was the stress).

It was a difficult time trying to figure out how frequently to change the water - I felt like banging my head on the wall.

Bubba still has rot - I just keep it under control (I also spread it to another tank like an idiot - long story - but Pancake seems to bounce back faster.) I will tell you though - their fins are now very suseptable to shredding if I so much as miss a day in water changes so just be prepared in case you've got this yucky strain.

I hope this helps! Do not lose hope!

*HUGS*

Jenn

PS - I also switched to aged water only which seems to help marginally. If that isn't an option for you - I would try the Prime.
akk0415
I use aged water and prime together. Our water is loaded with chloramines and reads 1ppm Ammonia out of the tap. I had a filter in there, turned it off for the Marcyn treatment and when I turned it back on he got worse again so I though possibly the current stressed him. I don't remove him for water changes just siphon. I used to take him out and rinse the whole tank. I am really trying to get a cycle going again. I might turn it back on in a day or two if this continues. I have been trying to keep a very close eye on him and his water. I appreciate you sharing your experience, jenn. It's good to know what worked for you. I went to buy maracyn and they were out so I figured a break may help, too. It helped touchofsky. So, if there's no improvement in a couple of days, I'll start back with it and the maracyn 2 combined. It's amazing how fast this stuff eats away the tissue. You have given me a bit of hope. Thanks. Maybe he will make it. smile.gif

BTW, Winter looks happier than he ever has. Maybe this is a happy rot. rolleyes.gif
fisharenewtome
Are you using the small world filter then? (If you're using a whisper or something where you can remove the carbon - I would remove the carbon & keep the filter going-on the lowest setting for flow rate)

If you are using a smallworld filter - I recommend getting an airpump which you can adjust (For ex the small rena doesn't have a valve you can adjust - but the next size up does & I have found this really helps with the current)

I too have ammonia (& nitrates) in my water (which drives me crazy).

I didn't remove Bubba when performing water changes (& still don't - I use a turkey baster to vac the bottom) just the act of changing the water & refilling the tank stresses him out (he's sensitive I know!)

I really thought that Bubba was not going to make it - we came with 1 cm of his body (or less) with the rot & he has been able to bounce back. The trick has been to be really agressive when the rot is active & then back off & just let it heal.

It's hard to do "nothing" but keep the water clean, but I have found it works best (after I know the bacteria bugs are gone). I do know that when the rot is active & I don't have meds in there that it appears to shred & fall off literally overnight . If you see this - get him back on meds ASAP. Otherwise I agree with watchful waiting.

I also would do the combo - I had no luck with them one at a time.

Good Luck!!!!

biggrin.gif Jenn

akk0415
Now my betta at work who had rot but bounced right back is shredding again. Everyone here questions my water changes. They think they stress him. This time he went several days healing, I did a waterchange and then... boom! More nastiness.

I don't think I am meant to keep bettas.
touchofsky
I am currently keeping bettas two ways. Some in filtered, five gallon tanks and some in 2 gallon unfiltered tanks. None have fin rot at the moment, but have in the past. I have adjusted my care over time, and I seem to have hit on a method that works for me and keeps the fins healthy. This is how I am caring for them. Perhaps some of this might help you.

In the unfiltered tanks, I change 100% of the water about once per week. I let the water sit for 24 hours so that the ph is the same (my water comes out of the tap at 7.6 and rises to 8). I carefully match the temperature and I use Prime as a water conditioner. I wash the tank with hot water and wash the stones and the silk plants.

One of my bettas in the 2 gallon, unfiltered tanks suffered from holes in his fins after water changes, but since I have been letting the water sit, this doesn't happen.

In the filtered tanks, I change 50% of the water every two weeks. Again, I let the water sit and I match the temperature and use Prime. I rinse the sponges in the AquaClear filter in tank water. I also reduce the current from the filter by draping a piece of filter floss (the type that comes in sheets) in front of the outflow. I was doing water changes once a week, but I have dropped back to every two weeks and the fins on all of my bettas look great.

BTW, if you continue to have trouble with fin rot, you could switch to females biggrin.gif They have great colours and personalities without the problems associated with the long fins.
akk0415
Hmmmm. Thanks so much, touchofsky! I am doing much of that. Of course I have my guys in smaller tanks so I have been changing the water more often. The one at work is in a 1 gallon and at home he's in a 2 gallon. I would trade up if I could. But that is one thing to play with water changes. I let my water sit 24 hours and I have switched to prime. Everyone stresses the "pristine water" and in 24 hours they are back to .25 ppm. It's difficult for me to let that go when I know they are having such a tough time. I do think girlies are more appropriate for me but I think these little tanks will be retired after these boys are gone. They just are too tiny. I do love my boys so much. They are like dogs... Always so happy to see you. smile.gif

I loved your idea for reducing the current and I will be using it shortly. That was a great idea. I will feel so much better having the filter running in my tank at home.

fisharenewtome- I have the small world filter and a small air pump. I guess the next thing to buy for Winter is an airpump. This is exhausting!!

Thanks for sticking with me and continuing to post to this thread guys. Your ideas and posts keep me going and help me to stay positive. I think my little boys appreciate it too. We would be lost without you. bighug.gif
fisharenewtome
No problem - I can remember how I felt when Bubba was at his worst! (Like banging my head into a wall!!!! Frequently!!!)

*HUGS*

Jenn
touchofsky
One thing to remember is that some ammonia tests read false positives when using Prime. What test kit are you using?

Please don't feel so bad about your boys. You know, they are probably as happy as can be even with their ragged fins. I don't think bettas really notice that they fins are bad ... we are the ones that suffer. JMO smile.gif

I hope you don't give up on bettas. You are a great betta keeper and any betta coming into your care is a lucky one. You care so much heartpump.gif
touchofsky
Here is a link to the FAQ page on the Seachem (Prime's maker) website.

This covers ammonia test kits and Prime.

http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/Prime_faq.html
akk0415
Thanks. 00001649.gif

I do care... a lot. This is killing me actually. I am supposed to be able to make it all better, you know? I am woman!! krazy.gif

I am using a salicylate test kit so that could be it. Boy, would that be a relief! I have so much happening at home that I will add the chemicals and check as soon as I can after 5 minutes. With my daughter, sometimes that is 5 minutes, more often it's an hour. I will try to be more exact in the future.

It works on my goldie tank though. But it is cycled so no hydrogen bonds should be broken there, it should have been consumed.

Great explanation!! A weight off my shoulders. biggrin.gif I kept thinking, how does one little fish (non goldfish) do that? I sure hope I really can relax a bit on this one.
akk0415
Well, so much for the prime theory. I tested Winter's water this morning since I didn't do a water change last night. I feel horrible about it but I fell asleep. After only 3 minutes of developing it was at .5 ppm. What stinks is it was a last minute thing since I couldn't take not knowing and I didn't have time to do a change right then.
akk0415
I think I will go home at lunch and change his water. dry.gif
Fishmerised
I had a case of finrot on my baby moors once that lasted 3 months!

In the end I took them out of their tank and kept them in a small unfiltered plastic tank and changed 50% of their water daily. I also added half strength melafix each day. After a month of this treatment their fins were beautiful.

As bettas don't require as much water you could try the bucket-to-bucket method. Fill container with water and let sit 24hrs - transfer your betta into container than fill his previous container and let it sit 24hrs, then transfer betta again. Continue this process until fins are healed, it works because the bettas are constantly in clean water.
akk0415
That's a thought since I can't keep the water clean enough. I would do that only out of desperation, though. Bettas seem to me to be like cats in that they get very attached to their homes and where things are. I am trying to cycle his tank so I can just siphon his water. I think I will take some of the filter media from my goldy tank and put it in a media bag to try and jump start things. The gravel I moved isn't moving things along fast enough for me.
akk0415
Okay, I did Maracyn and MAracyn 2 together for 5 days. He was healing! It was a miracle! I took the meds out and boom! Rot, twice as fast. Is it reasonable to keep the meds in forever? That is the only thing that has worked. Last week was so leisurely because he was okay for a few days. sad.gif
fisharenewtome
I would do the maracyn treatments for at least 3-4 cycles & then see how it goes (as long as you continue to see improvement)

Hope this helps!

biggrin.gif Jenn
akk0415
Thanks Jenn. Any suggestions help, especially yours. I know you have lived this yourself. Since I am so new to fish I was concerned about creating a resistance to the only thing that has helped. I'll do it though. It seems like it's our last hope. He is really happy still at least. I have a feeling this will be a fight that goes on his whole short life. It just makes me sad. sad.gif
EatBubbles
Hi Andrea,

My thoughts are with you!! 00001649.gif heartpump.gif

I guess I can understand a little more of how you feel since I just discovered today that Piglet's got some finrot that's new since YESTERDAY... blink.gif
I just changed his tank (about 2 days ago) since the Eclipse Explorer was REALLY hard to clean, so now he's in an open ~1.5 gallon with a minifilter. I think the filter current is stronger with this filter than with a different one that I had purchased separately for my other bettas' tanks, so he might be stressed because of the fact that he can't get much rest when he's outside of his hiding rock... i hope.

Argh... I KNEW I should have ordered Melafix from Big Al's when I placed my last big order. mad.gif

well, I guess I'll just perform 100% changes daily, and go get me some Melafix..
I think I might also get rid of this filter, since it's so strong even when the flow is turned to its lowest setting... and Piggle isn't a fan of currents. (My other two bettas don't seem to mind, but they've always been in a current-ish tank with hidey holes...)

*sigh*

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I'll keep all kinds of fingers & toes and fins crossed for your betta!!!
akk0415
Thanks so much. smile.gif We need all the help we can get. He is currently healing because he has both maracyn and maracyn 2 in his tank. The moment of truth will come when I remove the meds.

Mine doesn't like his filter either. Touchofsky gave me some great advice about using filter floss to slow the flow. I haven't tried it yet but here's what she said...

" I use squares of filter floss cut from sheets to do this job with my AquaClear filters that are on my betta tanks. I drape the sheet of floss in front of the outflow of the filter. This dramatically cuts down on the current, but doesn't affect the filtering ability of the filter. I actually buy 100% polyester quilt batting to use for this purpose. It is available at craft stores and places like Wal-Mart. Just be sure to buy the stuff that has no additives such as mothproofing. It will say on the bag."

I haven't had any luck with melafix. I would try to cycle his tank from one of your others if you can. I have done it twice with Winter's and it keeps the water cleaner than anything else can. Then I can just gravel vac and not disturb him so much. I think the changes were stressing him a lot but every fish is different. Jenn swears that the key is finding a balance, not too many changes, but not too few. I haven't gotten there yet.

I sure hope that piglet has regular fin rot not the fin rot from hell that Winter has. If something works for you please pass it along and I will do the same.

Thanks again for the nice thoughts. biggrin.gif

Fingers, toes and fins crossed here for you and Piglet too.

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touchofsky
Definitely try the filter floss in front of the outflow. I have it in front of the outflow of all of my betta tank filters and it really does reduce the current, but doesn't reduce the effectiveness of the filter. If anything, it just adds another spot for the good bacteria to grow smile.gif

What kind of filter do you have?
akk0415
I personally just have a small world one but I plan something larger in the future. It's not a huge current. But it is off until I finish a couple cycles of the Maracyn / Maracyn 2 combo.
EatBubbles
for my little tank, I have a filter that came with an Aquatic Gardens (Petco store brand, I think) kit. The kit is a 1.5-or-something-gallon open-top tank, which comes with a light and a mini HOB filter, looks like a nanofilter but its flow settings are much stronger... or at least, Piglet seems to be having way more trouble with it than my other bettas have with their official Nanofilters.

The filter floss thing sounds like a great idea. I'll be grabbing some tonight while I browse through finrot remedies at the LFS....
I know Piglet's more used to close-to-still water, but I'd really like some kind of biological filtration in there...
Thanks so much for the tip!! krazy.gif smile.gif
fisharenewtome
Eat bubbles-

I'll only add to be careful of the melafix with bettas - some people have great experiences with it & some do not.

Jusst keep am eye on it & be very very very careful of the doseage.

(In my bettas it accelerated the fin rot & some people have reported breathing difficulties with it. I can tell you that others have had no probs. IF you do decide to use it - just keep a very close eye on it!)

Good Luck!!!

biggrin.gif Jenn
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