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blinky000
I've been breeding goldies for over a year now and have been experimenting with which methods turn out to be the most successful and am about to share my most top secret methods with you. Here is everything you would want to know about breeding goldies. If you’re lucky enough to have eggs already, just scroll to the section that you need.

What You’ll Need
Spare tank (5 US gals or more)
Brine shrimp cultivating kit
Aquarium salt
Methylene blue
Sponge filter and pump
Ice cream tub
Silk or real plants

Sexing Fish
The male goldfish will look more streamlined than the female, who will have a rather round looking belly. Also, the females vent (anus) will stick out whereas the males will not (although, as I have found, this method is not 100% correct but about 1% of the time, you’ll find a male with some identity issues!). Around breeding time, the males will get a line of spots on the first bone of the pectoral fin and gill covers like this:



Making Goldies Spawn
This is one of the most challenging parts of breeding goldfish. Some of the most successful ways to trigger spawning is to lower the temperature of your tank to about 64-68f for about 1-2 weeks. The tank needs to have real or silk plants in so the female has something soft to get bashed into to lay her eggs in. During this cold period, feed your fish lots of high protein meals (tubifex etc) and feed often. This will mean you have to do more regular water changes due to more waste being produced which will help with spawning induction. By this time, the female should look very round with eggs and fat. Then gradually warm the tank up to about 75-78ºf over the space of a few days.

During Spawning
While your fish are spawning, as the males follow the female constantly with their head up her backside she may get a bit battered, especially if your female is breed that tends to waddle like a pearlscale and your male is something like a common or shubunkin. If she gets too beaten up, take her out. If you're new to breeding, take out the plants with the eggs on and put them in a spare tank and wait for them to hatch. If you are very familiar with breeding and handling you fish, I would recommend hand spawning. Take the male(s) doing the chasing and put them into an ice cream tub or something like that filled with tank water. Gently squeeze the abdomen down to the vent. You should be able to see milt coming out. If it is a very fertile male, the water will be quite cloudy after a hand spawning session. Release the male back into the tank and take the female. Often, you just holding the female and her wriggling makes the eggs come out, if not, use the same method as you did for the male, only more gentle and as soon as the eggs come out, swirl them around with her tail to separate them as if they stick together, they will not develop properly. PLEASE DO NOT HAND SPAWN IF YOU ARE UNSURE OF YOUR ABILITIES OR ATTEMPT TO HAND SPAWN ANY FISH AT ANY TIME OTHER THAN DURING OR SHORTLY AFTER NATURAL SPAWNING. Squeezing a female while she is still very full of eggs can rupture the ovaries and cause potentially fatal internal damage. This is why it is best to hand spawn shortly after she has released most of her eggs during the natural spawning.

Care of Eggs
Once you have your tub of eggs, sink it in another tank of cycled water about (not stolen from another tank as this increases the chances of pathogens being spread onto the fry). The tank should only be 6” deep at this point and should be bare bottom. It should also have a sponge filter installed. Do not wipe off the algae from the inside of the tank as this is a good natural food for the fry. Put the temperature up to about 78ºf for optimal growth (if the tank is less than 5 US gals, don’t bother with a heater, it’ll just cook your eggs. Place in a warm room instead). I have found that adding aquarium salt to the fry tank at 0.3% concentration avoids problems such as flukes and should always be present with the fry at this concentration until the 4 month stage where they should be weaned off the salt gradually. Methylene blue is also useful for preventing fungus on small fry and eggs. Add some to the tank until the water is a ‘Windex’ blue. After a few days, you should be able to see little black dots inside the egg. At about day 5, the fry will move around inside the eggs occasionally. This should be around the time that they hatch. This is also the time to start cultivating baby brine shrimp. Kits can be easily obtained at you local pet store and aren’t too expensive or tricky to get going. I find other foods don’t kick start the growth of the fry and aren’t worth the bother.

Caring for the Fry
For the first couple of days after they hatch, the fry will hang off the plants of side of the tank. Do not feed them at this stage as they are re-absorbing their egg sacks. When they are free swimming, begin feeding small amounts of baby brine shrimp. Put in as many as the fry will eat in about 1-2 hours, four times per day. The fry will begin to look like fish in about 1-2 weeks. Do not do any water changes until the fry are about a month old and only do so very carefully with an air-line tube from the pump. However, you may need to get rid of excess food or dead fry from the bottom of the tank so a turkey baster can be a handy tool. At this stage, add soaked, crushed pellets to the diet. If there are any fry that are particularly small or particularly big, they should be separated from the rest of the group. At two months the fry should be getting big quickly so wean them off the baby brine shrimp as it can get costly when the fry are so big that they merely inhale the creatures! At three months, the fry should be changing colour and be about 1.5” big. For the next couple of months feed regularly, change the water regularly and look for homes for your babies!

If you do have any problems breeding, of course feel free to ask smile.gif
blackmoore
should the male and female be kept together whilst the are being conditioned, by conditioned i mean fed lots and making female fill with eggs? or introduce them together when ready?

should they be conditioned in the warmer temperature or the cold temperature?
maniacholic
I find it better to seperate first then wait around like 1 to 2 days after the eggs developed in the female then releasing her with the male so you would probly get the months supply of developing eggs instead of mine having sex in a one week interval. Too much work in finding 2 different tanks just for breeding.
eather.hey
I think this should be pinned up top! Nice work girl!
bling101
i agree to this is a top notch topis and should be pinned i mite have a go at breeding my goldys since youve filled me with abishion of bieng a dady lol biggrin.gif
maniacholic
being a daddy is always okay with me lol.GIF as long as you dont say the "m" word ignore.gif

lol.GIF jk jk
blinky000
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maniacholic
I can't believe this has'nt been pinned yet...
ranchu_man
Excellent article.. If no brine shrimp is available, can the frys be fed with cooked egg yolk alone until say a week or so before fedding them with finely grounded pallets? I am having hundreds of Ranchu frys which are newly hatched and feeding them with egg yolk and some grounded pallets not not sure whether they can survive. Brine shrimp is not available at all in our area.
blinky000
yeah, egg is fine. bit messy though. i find baby food works well if theres no brine shrimp around.
rosedawson318
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and can you breed black moores with gold fish?
blinky000
yeah. you get different varieties by breeding different fish. thats how they all came about! theyll be very interesting looking! ive got a few pearscale/moors and shub/pearscales. beautiful little things. biggrin.gif
maniacholic
congrats "pinned worthy" not you but the article lol.GIF

BTW: NICE comic on the signature
blinky000
lol! thanks smile.gif
rosedawson318
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mailboxck
Which ones are fertilized? The transparent ones or the white ones? What else should i have in the tub besides the filter?

How long should i wait?
coyote ugly
The transparent eggs are the ones that are fertilized and the white ones are not so you have to take those out because fungus will grow eventually.Within 3~7 days the eggs will hatch.By tomorrow I'm sure you could see black dots(eyes)forming inside the egg. smile.gif Be careful with the filter coz they might get sucked up or if the flow of the water is too strong they might end up with broken backs or so I was told biggrin.gif

Good Luck Mailboxck!!!Post pics soon,okay?
mailboxck
Ok thanks! I sure do hope they're ok. I am really a newbie and i paniced when i saw them this morning and immediately placed them in a small tub. I had to hand pick some of them out of the filter because some got sucked up. I hope i get babies soon. Pray pray!
nz_turtle_girl
woops wernt we spose to move the little fish- ohmy.gif even if they looked soo crowded in there 40 gal, swimming in nee deep algy, breathing in 3 week old poop of there parents sad.gif will they die? i feel so stupid
coyote ugly
You should separate them with their parents.Chances are they will get eaten ohmy.gif
Black Moorio
I have a couple questions.

~Is there an age limit to breeding? I have a one year old oranda (male i think) and an eggfish not even a year (female i think) and a black moor younger than the eggfish. (male i think)

~Can the babbies grow in a 2.5 gallon tank then be moved to a ten gallon?

~Is this write?

a. Wait until they are ready to breed
b. Place male in the ice cram tub with silk plants
c. Remove male once water is spawned.
d. Place female, remove male
e. One eggs form, place tub in other tank.

Is that all right?
maniacholic
QUOTE(blinky000 @ Nov 22 2004, 03:28 PM)
...PLEASE DO NOT HAND SPAWN IF YOU ARE UNSURE OF YOUR ABILITIES OR ATTEMPT TO HAND SPAWN ANY FISH AT ANY TIME OTHER THAN DURING OR SHORTLY AFTER NATURAL SPAWNING...
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BTW I forgot to mention a LONNNNG while ago, if the female is ready, just holding her is enough for eggs to spray out
cutiepie
hello,
Just wanna ask you what kind of sponge filter should I get for my fry?
My local petholder told me that I don't need a sponge filter ,because it would sucked al the fry in it.
Please help.........
alique89
Hi! I'm new to all of this, but now since i know i have fertial gold fish. I like to know more is there any films or good books you could suggest?
Guppy_Girl
CutiePie- I don't think that a sponge filter would be too strong for your fry. I used a sponge filter for Dwarf Seahorses which don't swim AT ALL and they did fine. I really do hope that you post pix soon everybody!!
Trobe
Hi... i was wondering if it is possible to breed a normal goldfish with one of them fancy ones ... (the fatter ones with the fancy tails)???? Because i've got a bunch of goldfish i was thinking about breeding but all the normal ones are males... the only females i have are the black one with the Bugged out eyes and the fatter one with the fancy tail.... just wondering if it was possible to cross breed them...
d_golem
QUOTE(Trobe @ Oct 3 2005, 08:53 PM)
Hi... i was wondering if it is possible to breed a normal goldfish with one of them fancy ones ... (the fatter ones with the fancy tails)????  Because i've got a bunch of goldfish i was thinking about breeding but all the normal ones are males... the only females i have are the black one with the Bugged out eyes and the fatter one with the fancy tail.... just wondering if it was possible to cross breed them...
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All goldfish are one species and it is perfectly ok to cross-breed. U can even cross-breed them with koi biggrin.gif
Trobe
yeah ... but is there any side effects???.... does cross breeding affect the amount of offspring???... does it affect the amount of birth defects???....
d_golem
I don't think any of the side effects u mentioned will occur. U'll get lotsa mixed-up goldies though biggrin.gif
Angie11585
[COLOR=blue] I have two goldfish in a 10 gallon tank, and this morning I saw them laying eggs. I don't really know what to do.... I took the female out of the tank because she kept eating the eggs. Should I take the eggs out?? If so, when? I have an extra 2 gallon tank I could use, but not a special sponge filter. I really have no clue what to do, can anyone help me??? Thank you so much!!!!
Angie11585
ok, well now I've read that I should remove the parents because they are eating the eggs, and that I should leave the eggs there until they hatch. But should I take a lot of the water out? If so, should I turn off the filter? I hope they hatch!!
shawnja
how many times can u try the 1 to 2 weeks of cold water plan a year?
and witch one works better? the 1 to 2 week method or the 4 month method
Powerdragon
that's really help full thank-you biggrin.gif
mailboxck
My 2 ranchu's have been spawning everynight for about a week now but still no eggs. Is this something bad or do i just have to wait a couple more days?
maniacholic
QUOTE(mailboxck @ Jan 8 2006, 05:30 AM)
My 2 ranchu's have been spawning everynight for about a week now but still no eggs. Is this something bad or do i just have to wait a couple more days?
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chasing or really fast swimming can also be a sign of flashing or parasites, if you don't see any eggs I think you should check your water parameter
mailboxck
Really? Didn't know that one. Thanks! smile.gif
Big Fish
is it bad for a brother and sister goldfish to mate? please reply!
Big Fish
is it bad for a brother and sister goldfish to mate? please reply!
Drayco
Thanks, every thing i needed to know smile.gif
goldfish007
My goldfish are apparently having it easy breeding, they won't stop.
They've breed, laid eggs and chilled for aobut a week. I wake up at 7 am and they are doing it again!
Won't they wear out?
Their tank will be full of fungusy white eggs tongue.gif

what will happen ??

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blinky000
usually they have these 'flurries' of breeding. eventually theyll give up. and if you leave the eggs in the tank, the majority will get eaten anyway. just try keeping the water at a constant temperature if you can but once breeding has started theyll be at it for weeks in my experience. i had my fish last summer giving me around 500 eggs around twice a week for over a month. they literally would not stop. eventually when theyre all spawned out a switch will flick and theyll just stop. can just wait really smile.gif
RoyMoor
How do I know if my goldie has laid eggs? or is it obvious? do they float? or do they lay at the bottom? I am also a newbie at this and I have noticed that my common has been chasing my Moor ALOT and very closely so i have suspiscion that they may be mating... I have never actually SEEN them in the act... but he has been chasing her alot... so how do I know when she lays them if she does when I'm not around? what should I look for?
DPFHPRES
From my experince they stick to plants and look like a clear pinhead thats how I tell if mine have spawned
Doan Thuy Vi
Hi that is Cool, but unfortunatley I cant do it beause i am a beginner is their anyway you can help me on my questions. how can i breed my goldfish the best way plz remeber i am a beginner plz repley to me separtley on my email adress

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CAN YOU PLZ HELP ME AMY (BLINKYOOO) thank you
Doan Thuy Vi
hi it is me agian um what do i do if my water is murky or poor in quality

thankx
hope28
Hi Blinky000,

Can you help me with some of my questions about the care of fry, please....

1. My fry were out of their egg just past Sunday...Today is Wednesday. Does this make them 4 day old?
2. Some are staying at the bottom of the aquarium and some are swimming....are the ones at the bottom going to die according to your experience?
3. How many times in a day do I siphon? Each 1-2 hours after feeding? or Once a day? It's quite impossible to clean the whole bottom of the aquarium...I find that I stress the fry each time I get in to siphon some dirt or food.
4. The filter is made safe for the fry...do I need to change or clean the filter in a month's time as well as the water? (It is quite impossible for me to take or clean the filter, the aquarium I am currently using is 10"x5.5"x4"of water. I have about 20+ fry still active.)

So far...those are the only questions I have that are bothering me...

Thanks...
akim
hi thanks for all that info but i have a problem. i live in tanzania(formaly tanganyika) which is not that keen about having fish as pets nor as business. as a result that is very less fish equipment here and a vey less variety of fish. throughout my two years of keeping goldfish, i have bought many but now have a good pair of red caps(fancy tail) which look very healthy apart from some missing scales.i also have a scissor tailed brown male not that attractive but fast and powerful. i want to know how to breed them but there is so much different info on the web. i tried buying books but they dont ship them here. i dont have methyl blue but recently found a fish medecine (white spot remover) which has it as a key ingredient. i dont have aquarium salt but i have a sponge filter. i got the brine shrimp eggs with the aquarium( it had a lid but the seal was broken). i tried growing this shrimp by putting the eggs in a big jar of water but all igot after 3 days is stinking water and floating eggs only(still have many eggs). i have a 200 litre aquarium but i dont know how much is that in gallons. all i want is to breed my goldfish as i have already bred live bearers such as swordtails and guppies and mollies, i tried barbs but couldnt. do you think i should try kois? can you please help me.
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Miss Eccles
hey i am completely new to this.

my fish was chasing the other one for ages and i didnt know why so i looked it up on the net and it said it was because they are trying to mate. i then looked at the plant and it had eggs on so i took it out, put it in a small pot/tank and added a bit of heat from a lamp (not so its boiling rolleyes.gif ). they hatched 3-4 days later, and now they have been hatched for a day and a half. they laid at the bottom and wiggled so i guess they were eating their yolk sacks.... they were then swimming around but i just checked on them and i cant see any swimming around (i only had about 5 that i could see alive because it was only a small batch of eggs) and they are laying on the bottom and not wiggling anymore... are they dead? i fed them a tiny bit of egg yolk just incase there was no food in the water, but it hasnt helped.... sad.gif

i just read that goldfish mature for breeding at a year old.... optimum age is 3 years? i bought mine from the petshop in october 2006.... i was thinking that maybe they are too young to produce strong healthy babies?


please help if you can. any advice about the age of the fish, anything i have done wrong, or anything i should do will be appreciated smile.gif
glitterfish
Do you have any aeration in your water? (airstone?) You should try to post your own thread in the breeding section so you can get more help. smile.gif
Oh and welcome to the site! biggrin.gif
Miss Eccles
ok il do that smile.gif thanks
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