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mothertobe
Ammonia Level: N/A
Tank size(How many Gals) and How long has it been running: 10 Gal running for 4 months
Nitrite How often do you change the water and how much? usually once every 3 weeks
Nitrate Filtration: N/A
Ph Level Water additives/conditioners, Water conditioner
What do you feed your fish? Wardley slow sinking crumbles
Medications add to the tank? The last were Jungle fugus eliminator and Clear Water
How many fish in the tank and there size? Bob- 3 year old Fantail and about and 2inches, Alfred- 1 year old Fantail 1 inch, Roger- 6 months old common goldfish 1 1/2 inches, Sally- 5 month old common goldfish 2 1/2 inches, Murry- 5 month old common goldfish 2 1/2 inches long
Any new fish added to the tank? No

Bob has swim bladder disease he always has, he was dropped when I first got him by the fish netter guy. He has a curved spine now because of floating on his stomach I had him in a 2 1/2 gallon tank than I moved him to a 10 gallon and that cured the floating he loves swimming around, his belly has always been very swollen, I don't know why. Alfred is ok but his belly is swollen too maybe that's a trait of fantails. Now the 3 really sick ones are Sally who has a red spot on her gill and has red streaks through her scales her eyes seem to be popping out and Roger has red streaks through his scales and also Roger seems to have not really grown since I got him I had other smaller ones I got after him and they grew twice the size of him.Murry went from silver to orange but his head tail and lips stayed the same. Please help, My fish are my life I love them all. Lindsay
PeasAnd Carrots
i am new to goldfish , but having read here i know you have more fish than is recommended for the gallons you have. Goldfish require at least 10 gallons per fish and alot of the problems can be water quality and i know there are experts here who can tell ya more.
redeft
Hi Mothertobe,

I'm afaid P&C is correct - you are over stocked.

Your fish are being poisoned because their waste products are overwhelming the water. You should start by changing the water at least twice a week, but only about 1/3. If you go from poisonous water to ultra clean water in one step it is a shock to their systems.

I'm guessing your water conditioner is a de-chlorinator, which you need to add to the water before you put it into the tank.

Are you useing a filter? What kind?

Definately think about a bigger tank (or more than one).

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shj
Hi, I am sure you will get lost of help here.

I agree with Peas that the bottom line is that your tank is too small. Goldfish produce a lot of waste and will only thrive and stay healthy in the long run if they have enough water. The general recommendation is 10 gals per fish (Check out Koko's Ten Steps to a Healthy Goldfish)

You will have ammonia problems in this tank and it is important to measure for that so that you can stay on top of waterchanges.

I could recommend medications but I am afraid that unless things get sorted out with the water quality medications would not help.

You will need antibiotics for the popeye and the redstreaks - I would recommend Kanacyn.

Right now do a large waterchange- about 50% and then start shopping for a bigger tank.

shj
Fishyfan
Until you buy yourself a bigger tank (10 gallons per fish) you will have nothing but problems with your fish because of poor water quality. No matter how dedicated you are you will never get the quality perfect because of the sheer amount of waste produced by your fish.
You need to go out and buy yourself a gravel vacuum and water parameter test kits (most important for now are ammonia, nitrite and nitrate). When tested your ammonia levels should be at 0, nitrite at 0 and nitrate under 30, 20 if possible. If they are above these levels which I suspect they are then you will need to perform daily water changes of 30% until they are where they should be. You will then need to keep them that way by doing as many water changes as necessary. This could be alot until you get yourself a bigger tank.
As for the illnesses - the red sapots and streaks are almost certainly caused by excessive amounts of ammonia and nitrite. As soon as oyu get your water quality good these should heal on their own. It seems too that you have a case of popeye which you will need to treat with medication. Ask at your lfs for what they recommend. (I am in the UK so the meds are different here).
I would also add a 0.3% salt solution which will aid healing and generally destress your fish. Buy yourself some aquarium salt and dissolve a teaspoon per gallon in a small glass with a bit of tank water. Pour it into your tank. 12 hours later repeat this process, then again another 12 hours later.
Remember that when you do water changes you will have to make up the amount of salt and medicine removed in the old water so for example if you remove 2 gallons you willl need to add another 2 teaspoons of salt and the appropriate amount of whatever meds you are using too.
mothertobe
Thank you for all of your help, I changed the water today 1/3 change and I use a carbon filter i replace the filter about once every 2 weeks. I also have a snail that I didn't mention can that have anything to do with the fish being sick.
Lindsay
Fishyfan
Remember that if you treat with any meds you will need to remove the carbon form your filter.
goldfishqueen
I did another water change and gravel vaccuum, they seem to be getting better the red spot on the gill and the red streaks are going away. I didn't treat the water at all except for the cholrine. Lindsay
goldfish125girl
At this point you need to be looking for at the least a 55 gallon tank for this many fish, test kits for the water and a good filter. There is NO way the fish will live long at all in these conditions. fancy goldfish will live up to 20 years if cared for properly. There is a good chance the fish with what appears to be swim bladder problems will get better if the water quality is kept up. Even with stock of 5 fish in a 55 gallon I have to do at least once a week 30% water changes to keep nitrates low enough. Once every 3 weeks is really bad for these fish. At these stocking levels you need to be doing about a 50% water change daily until you up grade the tank. Most if not all of these problems are due to poor water quality.
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