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Cuckoo for Calicos
In case anyone is interested, there is a product on the pond market called Algaefix that will clear up even the worst algae problem. It's about $8 per bottle. Works like a charm! :goldfish
fishfaye20
Thanks for posting that Cynthia smile.gif I love the stuff too, works so good! Ill pin it at the top of the page for ya
Cuckoo for Calicos
Thanks Faye! wav.gif It has done wonders for my little pond. Thought others might need that info.
edgarowen
I disagree with removing algae unless it is truly excessive. It is natural and also a good source of food for the fish as well as an oxygenator. If my pond water gets too green I use a sump pump to change 25-50% of the water and refill with hose from the well.

Edgar
orandas4me
Is Algaifix available in Thailand? My sister's seafront koi pond (12' x 20' x 18") has severe algae problems that require changing water twice a week. She had a pro come out and check filtration, rate of flow (2 pumps- 1 for flow, 1 for filter), and the only thing the guy could possibly think of causing rapid algae growth is the amount of sunlight it gets. Is there someone out there who might know of something equivqlent to Algaefix?
Scott
Not sure about algae being an oxygenator? I thought it took oxygen away from the water? I know that when I add more oxygen to my pond I get more algae. Anyhow, Agaefix does work but I've found that Microbe-lift pl works better. It's expensive yes but comes in a larger container and last's longer than the Agaefix.


here is their website.

http://www.microbelift.com/pondwatergarden.html

You can get microbe lift on different ponds sites on the net. I've seen it on ebay for a good price, sometimes though it looks like a good price but it's a small container of it.

They have a 'products for export' section orandas4me you might want to check that out. This stuff is AWESOME! I've had a pond for over 7 years and have never gotten the results that I get with microbe lift pl. In fact, since I've started using this stuff my pond has stayed crystal clear (except for during spawning). I have a 4,000 gallon pond, it's 5 ft at it's deepest and you can see the bottom perfectly clear.

This stuff is more expensive than Algaefix and if you have a smaller pond you probably wouldn't want to go with Microbe lift. I guess I am starting to sound like a commercial? LOL No I don't work for the place nor do I sale it. I'm just proud of the results.


Scott
http://www.81x.com/pond/mypond
bigjk
My pond had been pea soup this whole summer and I could not get rid of it. I then bought Microbe-lift pl and nothing happened for the first month but then two days after the fourth treatment the water cleared up over night. Microbe-lift pl works great you just have to wait a while.
Scott
Yes, Microbe lift helps with the cycle and if you keep using it you should be able to keep your pond clear! What is also really great about it is it is all natural and healthy for the pond and fish. I've started using Microbe lift theraP, I like it much better. It's more expensive but the doseage is smaller.

Scott
mislam
I have lots and lots and lots of string algae on the walls of my small preformed pond. Actually it is on anything that is in pond including all rocks. In general I do not look at it as a problem but recently it has started to clog up my filter/fountain. So I am looking a safe way to reduce it as well. My water is clear though and water params are all normal.
Scott
Do not use algaefix to get rid of the string algae. String algae is hard to get rid of, especially if you have a lot of it. The best thing to do is to pull it out when you see it. It sounds like you have a lot of it, sorry to say but your just going to have to pull it out. I've been using koi clay in my pond and I haven't had much of a problem with string algae this year. BUT there are those that haven't had any luck using koi clay in keeping the string algae down or ridding their pond of it. You'd have to try it and see if it works for you.
Hayley
i use to get string algae really bad around my fountain that i would have running and right underneath my water fall........i just got in there and pulled it all out........and i think algae is a oxygen sucker upper
goldenmom
Hi, all,
I have a fairly new pond that had started turning green, and then all of a sudden, it was so murky and green, that I couldn't see my fish. The params are all perfect, and the fish seem fine when I see them, but I would really like to clear it up so I can enjoy them. Is Algaefix safe or is a chemical that will mess up my bio-filter? I was reading in this thread about the Microbe lift, but someone said that it might not be a good idea for someone with a small pond. Mine is 100 gallons, so should I use the Algaefix and is it safe for my fish and plants? Thanks so much.
Lynn smile.gif
Scott

Lynn

Microbe lift is okay for any size pond. In fact there is different kinds of microbe lift depending on what is going on with your pond. Microbe lift pl is mainly an all around good product for adding more good microbes to your bio filter. I started using Microbe-Lift TheraP great stuff.

You are experiencing an algae bloom. By putting in algaefix you will only set your bio filter back, thus what ever progress that has been made in your filter by the growing of good bacteria it'll go to waste with the use of algaefix. Certainly the algaefix will clear your pond, guaranteed, but you'll have to use it every week in order to keep the pond clear. Here's the thing, a healthy fish pond should never need chemicals to keep it healthy. If you stop using the algaefix you'll just get another algae bloom just like what you have now. Your filter has to cycle, once it has cycled (meaning good bacteria growing in it to get rid of nitrites, ammonia, and nitrates) your pond will stay clear. This is the sign of a healthy system. Microbe lift helps keep the system healthy and it is all natural. If you start using the microbe lift and then stop your not going to get an algae bloom because the microbe lift doesn't do harm to the bio filter it only boosts it. Does this make sense?

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Microbe-Lift TheraP Biologically supports a healthy immune system and reduces environmental stress. TheraP improves dissolved oxygen levels and helps to digest organic droppings (fish fecal matter). Microbe-Lift TheraP promotes rapid fish growth and eliminates noxious odors, while increasing resistance to pathogens and parasites. This product aids in respiration and gas exchange and contains both Nitrosomonas and Nitrobacter bacteria. TheraP oxidizes both ammonia & nitrites, also reduces nitrates. It is very beneficial when overpopulation exists, and immediately seeds and maintains biological filters. TheraP Biodegrades uneaten decomposed food (protein, starch, fats) and is compatible with all pond flora. This product is safe for all animals in and around the pond. A 32 oz. Bottle treats up to 20,000 gallons.


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Microbe-Lift PL provides sustained biological activity in water temperatures even under 55 degrees. It helps to reduce ammonia and nitrogen levels and reduces animal waste buildup. PL will seed and maintain biological filters and will improve dissolved oxygen levels. It digests organic sludge, reduces unpleasant odors and breaks down both dead algae and uneaten fish food. 100% safe for humans, plants and wildlife. Microbe-Lift PL should be used in conjunction with other Microbe-Lift products in ponds with especially difficult water quality problems...or if an extremely high level of water clarity and cleanliness is required. PL is effective even: if your pH is high or low with or without sunlight if alkalinity is high or low if oxygen level is high or low Microbe-Lift PL is an extremely useful, versatile product and is sometimes used as a stand-alone maintenance solution for general pond health and water clarity.




Scott

If your interested this is the cheapest place I've found it. If you find it cheaper some place else please let me know smile.gif

http://www.azponds.com/microbe_lift.htm
Scott
I just found this on the AZ pond site. This is some good information and perfect for this subject.


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800-722-8877



Water Chemistry


As hardy as our fish are, long exposure to poor water quality will cause stress and disease. Unfortunately, we cannot rely on our unaided senses to determine water quality — clear water is not an indication of good water quality from our fish’s perspective. Poor quality stresses our fish, which in turn causes their immunize system to go down, which in turn makes our fish susceptible to disease. In order to know if there is good water quality, it only makes sense to test it periodically rather than wait for disease systems to appear.
    Fish waste and other organic debris are the first steps of the nitrogen cycle, a series of events that produces some of the compounds we test for — ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates. Normally, we should test for PH, ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates every week or two. Testing should be made more frequently during periods of change in our ponds, such as spring warming, new filter installation, major pond cleaning or repair.



PH indicates the ratio of hydrogen ions to hydroxyl ions on a logarithmic scale from 0 (pure acid) to 14 (pure alkaline). Fish do best in water with a PH of 7.0 to 8.5. They can actually tolerate a wide range, but cannot tolerate a rapid change. PH affects the free ammonia/ionized ratio, with a higher PH resulting in a greater concentration of free ammonia. To make things more complicated, algae and other water plants can drastically change a pond’s PH from night to day, due to a change in the amount of dissolved carbon dioxide present in the water. We’re concerned about rapid PH shifts not only because of the ammonia ratio, but also because the fish are trying to keep their blood PH level during these shifts, thereby causing stress. PH needs to be adjusted slowly.



Ammonia introduced by fish waste and decomposing organic debris, is the most toxic nitrogen compound. It is present in two forms. Free and ionized. Free ammonia is the most toxic and will cause death in very low concentrations. Problems associated with non-lethal elevated levels of ammonia include gill disease, dropsy and fainter. The higher the PH and the temperature, and the lower the salinity or hardness, the more toxic the ammonia. With a properly functioning biological filter, the ammonia is usually zero.


Nitrite is less toxic than ammonia, but still very toxic as it inhibits the ability of the blood to carry oxygen. Nitrite is oxidized into nitrate by nitrobacteria bacteria living in the filter.


Nitrate is the end product of the nitrifying phase of the nitrogen cycle. It is much less toxic than either ammonia or nitrite. It is how ever, a nitrogen compound that is the food and fertilizer for algae. In nature, nitrate is absorbed by water plants and is reduced into free nitrogen by anaerobic bacteria living in the bottom silt. Hydrogen sulfide and methane gas are given off as a by-product of the anaerobic filtration. An oxygenated, clean pond will not have any anaerobic bacteria present, so nitrates will accumulate in the pond. Partial water changes of 1/10th per week will flush out the accumulating nitrate.


Dissolved Oxygen is usually only a warm weather concern, as it is associated with water temperature and algae. However, the larger the fish, the greater the oxygen demand. Low levels of oxygen allows you to determine if your pond has the maximum amount of oxygen for the temperature of the water.


Salt Level Test -- pond fish actively maintain a natural balance of electrolytes in their body fluids. Electrolytes such as potassium, sodium, chloride, calcium, and magnesium are removed from the water by chloride cells located in the gills. These electrolytes are essential for the uptake of oxygen and release of carbon dioxide and ammonium across gill membranes. The lack of electrolytes can cause serious health problems to the fish. During periods of disease and stress, healthy gill function is disturbed. This can lead to the loss of electrolytes through the gills, sometimes call osmotic shock. Osmotic shock interrupts healthy gill function by reducing the intake of oxygen and the release of carbon dioxide and ammonium from the fish. Rock salt overfeeding can lead to elevated nitrite levels especially in newly set up ponds. The nitrite ion NO2 enters the gills and prevents the blood from carrying oxygen resulting in nitrite toxicity. Rock salt will temporarily block the toxic effects of nitrite while corrective action is taken.


A Pond Thermometer is important to check pond’s water temperature to maintain fish on correct feeding schedule. Testing gives you the information you need to ensure the best possible conditions for your fish, as well as the information to maintain water clarity.


goldenmom
Thanks so much, Scott, I really appreciate all the good info you provided for me. I was just worried about using the Algaefix because it is clearly a chemical and I would prefer not to use chemicals if I can help it. I will definitely look into ordering the Microbe, but I must say that there are so many Microbe products, it's a little confusing smile.gif But, once again, thanks so much for your help, I really appreciate it.
Lynn smile.gif
ReneeP
i have a realy tiny pond , it is one of the molded kidney shaped i bought at lowes.
it has green and black stuff on the sides but the water is clear.
my fish seem happy & 2 little frogs moved in & live there too , i just saw the 2nd frog today , lol , don't know when he arrived .
my husband put Clear-Zyme concentrate in it one time(when we first set up 2yrs ago) but thats all we've done . I don't have a real filter , the pump , i have wrapped in filter fabric & i clean it about every other day
(just spray it off with a hose)
I hate to change what i'm doing , it seems they are all ok , but should i be doing something different ? like getting that green and black stuff cleaned out ?

the place we got these koi from was realy nasty , the pond stunk ! you could smell it before you saw it !! thats the reason i have them , lol


i forgot to say - we have a huge natural pond & thats where we get the water for my koi pond
Scott
Renee,

I did a search for clear zyme and this is what the product discription is;

'Block has billions of beneficial bacteria and enzymes that quickly break down waste which are caused by uneaten food, fish waste, decaying plants and dead algae. Ideal for setup of a new pond, and spring start up or fall shutdown of established ponds. Helps to maintain a natural biological balance.'

This sounds good to me. Algaefix is a chemical and that is why it isn't good for your pond. Never use a chemical unless you have your back against a wall and someone is threatening mean things. Or unless you have a bunch of sick fish and you know what you need to treat them with because you know what they have.

When you clean your filter don't use the garden hose water unless it is coming out of a well. Use your water from the pond to clean it off. There are chemicals in city water and they kill the good bacteria that is in your filter which eat the ammonia and nitrites that are produced by the fish. You want to keep as many good bacteria as you can in your filter. The nitrites are turned into nitrates as they leave your filter and plants eat the nitrates, this is like fertilizer for them so it's good to have some green algae along the side of your pond to get rid of the nitrates. Nitrates can cause a blood desease in your fish. It's all about keeping this balance, so that clear zyme that your husband put in the pond was really a good thing in helping to keep the balance. It doesn't hurt to put that in as directed. I put in microbe lift in my pond once a week (which is probably close to the same thing).

About the water coming from your natural pond. Not sure if that is a good idea? Could be fine but could also bring in bad bugs to your fish such as fish lice or some other parasite? I don't really know you may want to ask around.

I hope you don't have too many fish in your pond? Koi need about 250 gallons per fish. They are a dirty fish and so they produce a lot of waste. This waste of course is not healthy for them.

I hope I got everything and hopefully this is readable. I am in a hurry, at work, tired and hungery. wink.gif

Scott
ReneeP
Thankyou so much Scott !!

i do have too many fish (6), we are getting ready to build a second pond but
i think i will still have to find a home for a couple of them .

thanks again !!
Bert & Co.
A word of caution on this. I used this product about 6 years ago and the oxygen levels in my pond dropped so low that the fish were gasping for air. It was an absolute nightmare. I've heard this from other people too. I don't think it will work for everyone, although if it worked for you cool.

MicrobeLift is great though. And I saw in the Fosters & Smith pond catalog that there's barley straw concentrate in liquid form. Never seen that before.
glitterfish
This product works great for me but I havent used it in my goldie tanks. Just my 10 gallon tropical tank. Clears the water beautifully. I only have to do one dose.
Lozbug
my fish eat the algae...they love it!
mislam
What about using UV sterlizer to keep the algae away? Is that a good or bad idea?
Scott
UV sterlizer is good. What I hear works better is a trickle tower. When I do build my new pond I am going to go with a trickle tower and see how that goes, if it doesn't do as good a job as I hear they do I'll add the UV. The tricle tower is a lot cheaper, DYI project, plus it adds a lot of oxygen and good bio filtration to the pond.
jetman73
I have been running two huge trickle towers for the past few years. I have not turned on my UV for over a year now and the water is nice and clear and I live in florida. TT's are killer filtration when built correctly and fed mechanically clean water. They can also be easily built for any sized pond and the main cost will be the media that is incorporated in them. Sometimes that expense will be ....well expensive....but with a lava rock they can be downright dirt cheap.
bluiis
thanks for all this info. I have been using Algefix and my water test great and the string algea has cleared up but not gone completly.

I'm going to switch to the microbelift-pl per your suggestions. I don't think it will be gone for good because of the sun I get, but it should help.
bluiis
I was a Algea fix user and it worked great. after reading this I bought the microbe-lift pl. we have been using it for 2 weeks and the pond is a mess, full of algea.

Do you think it's just purging?
Did this happen to any of you in the begining?
kendon11
Hi all! We used to have algae problems especially in the spring. What I did was put a dining canopy over the pond to cut some of the sunlight. That has worked like a charm! My pond is a preformed one that is about 7' long and 4' wide so the canopy fits right over it and I also have a bench there for me so it works out pretty good all the way around. I know this is not a solution for everyone but it worked on a smaller pond. I have not used chemicals for algae this year at all.
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