[Shamu23]

but wont that ruin my cycle? my tubs that I use as quarantine arent big enough for 3 fish, Im getting a UV sterilizer anyway, I just dont know when, I guess I could just keep it as it is for now, eventhough someone had an even better suggestion by turning off the lights and covering the tank for 2 days, but maybe i'll just leave the ugly green water for now :unsure:

[wolkcano]

if the algae really settle down in your tank

definite solution is that. if your hospital tank is quite enough for three fish maybe they can little bit closely pressed for ten days but after ten days they will have clean home :)

[Shamu23]

I think i'll just wait, I dont wanna ruin my cycle or cram 3 goldfish into a 4 gallon tub. And my extra airpump is being used.

[wolkcano]

Believe me they can eat everything :D



http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1633/ryukin41ns1.jpg

[Shamu23]

thats a cute picture, are those your fishies?

[wolkcano]

not their mine I have already showed my pics on goldfish photos section

I have ryukins to but those two guys look so handsome arent they :)

[Pixiefish]

Forgive me for saying, Wolkcano, but I'm a little concerned by some of your advice.

You recommend a water change of 30% at 2 week intervals and you keep two fish in a 16 gallon.
The minimum space you need for two fancy GF is 20 Gals. Water changes need to be made at least once a week and probably 40% would be a better target.

Shamu - don't tear down your tank, hun. You'll just have to put the fish through cycling all over again. Although the algae doesn't look great it isn't harmful to the fish at all in fact it is an excellent living biofilter. Once you get your UV it will make a big difference.
In the meantime, I'd suggest making a few adjustments to your regimen: vacuum the gravel every week - this is necessary to keep on top of poop and uneaten food which can lead to unhelpful bacteria if left sitting around - it will also reduce the nitrate load which feeds the algae. I would also increase your water changes to @40% each week. Keep an eye on how many hours you run the tank lights and also how much food you are putting in. All these things accelerate the amount of nutrients in the water from which the algae feeds.
What is the tank reading on nitrates, out of interest?

[Shamu23]

My nitrates are, and always have been (since i first got a nitrate testkit) 5 ppm. I wasnt gonna tear down my tank anyway, I really dont wanna start the cycle over again, and also my qt tub is 4 gallons, I would be doing 2 or 3 waterchanges a day with 3 fish in there. I was already changing lots of water and adding prime every day to the tub with the new fishie, even though it was cycled and the fish was small, and I built my own filter for it, the fish still got a little ammonia burn on his tail. He's in the big tank now and Im sure it'll heal quickly. I'll do as u say, and vaccume my gravel more often and increase waterchanges.

[d_golem]

Sorry Volkan, but just like Pixiefish, I'm not so sure with some things you posted. We can only learn if we get criticised, eh?

wolkcano, on Jul 15 2007, 03:40 PM, said:

For disease
The classic disease of goldfish is Ichthyophthirius know as a ‘’white spot’’ it is very commen and it accure when differences in water tempature and a lot of strees can be your fish sick I use ‘’Bio Contra’’ against this sickness and I believe that it is more usefull than the other medicine in the stores if you carry out same things in instructions you will see drop out the white spot form your goldfish body but the golden rule is if you use inside filiter you have to take out of the filiter sponge. Because harmfull bacteria take a place in the sponge and they are growing in the there
You have to put the sponge in boild water added some salt and bactaria killer or buy a new one :)
I want you to remember that Ichthyophthirius is not a terrifiying illness if you take care of it when it began

Agree about ich is not a "terrifying" illness, but the best medication for ich is the humble rock salt (or any non-iodised salt). It's much cheaper than any commercially sold products, and u don't need to buy a new filter to cure ich :rolleyes:

wolkcano, on Jul 15 2007, 03:40 PM, said:

According to the aquarium’s size, the cleaning interval may vary, but I suggest 2 weeks at most with a 30% water change taking from the bottom. I am doing this every 10 days.

As Pixiefish said, 30% every 2 weeks is not nearly enough if u stock your tank to capacity.

[wolkcano]

d_golem, on Jul 16 2007, 04:58 PM, said:

Sorry Volkan, but just like Pixiefish, I'm not so sure with some things you posted. We can only learn if we get criticised, eh?

wolkcano, on Jul 15 2007, 03:40 PM, said:

For disease
The classic disease of goldfish is Ichthyophthirius know as a ‘’white spot’’ it is very commen and it accure when differences in water tempature and a lot of strees can be your fish sick I use ‘’Bio Contra’’ against this sickness and I believe that it is more usefull than the other medicine in the stores if you carry out same things in instructions you will see drop out the white spot form your goldfish body but the golden rule is if you use inside filiter you have to take out of the filiter sponge. Because harmfull bacteria take a place in the sponge and they are growing in the there
You have to put the sponge in boild water added some salt and bactaria killer or buy a new one :)
I want you to remember that Ichthyophthirius is not a terrifiying illness if you take care of it when it began

Agree about ich is not a "terrifying" illness, but the best medication for ich is the humble rock salt (or any non-iodised salt). It's much cheaper than any commercially sold products, and u don't need to buy a new filter to cure ich :rolleyes:

wolkcano, on Jul 15 2007, 03:40 PM, said:

According to the aquarium’s size, the cleaning interval may vary, but I suggest 2 weeks at most with a 30% water change taking from the bottom. I am doing this every 10 days.

As Pixiefish said, 30% every 2 weeks is not nearly enough if u stock your tank to capacity.

yea you right humble rock is ok but not enough for ich and you have to be careful when you arrange the amount of it and again if you have plant it will be harmfull for your plant

you can change it 2 weeks if your tank is too big enough and your stoke is not too much
two weeks will be quite enough for that if you have small aquarium and too much stoke in it firstly its not healthy and you have to do it in one week

other important thing is your filiteration power isnt it ?

This post has been edited by wolkcano: 16 July 2007 - 08:34 PM

[d_golem]

wolkcano, on Jul 17 2007, 12:29 PM, said:

yea you right humble rock is ok but not enough for ich and you have to be careful when you arrange the amount of it and again if you have plant it will be harmfull for your plant

you can change it 2 weeks if your tank is too big enough and your stoke is not too much
two weeks will be quite enough for that if you have small aquarium and too much stoke in it firstly its not healthy and you have to do it in one week

other important thing is your filiteration power isnt it ?

Filtration power is important, but more important than that is the amount of filter media, and most important of all is water volume. More water volume = lower concentration of waste = better water quality.

[wolkcano]

d_golem, on Jul 17 2007, 01:43 AM, said:

wolkcano, on Jul 17 2007, 12:29 PM, said:

yea you right humble rock is ok but not enough for ich and you have to be careful when you arrange the amount of it and again if you have plant it will be harmfull for your plant

you can change it 2 weeks if your tank is too big enough and your stoke is not too much
two weeks will be quite enough for that if you have small aquarium and too much stoke in it firstly its not healthy and you have to do it in one week

other important thing is your filiteration power isnt it ?

Filtration power is important, but more important than that is the amount of filter media, and most important of all is water volume. More water volume = lower concentration of waste = better water quality.

of course for example I have 16 galons goldfish tank as you know that I have been feeding two ryukins and I have quite powerfull filitration. and change my water in ten days time at once therefor water quality always stay clear of course according to my goldies density.

This post has been edited by wolkcano: 17 July 2007 - 02:09 AM

[Jeana727]

Hhmm, I always thought salt was THE preferred cure for Ich! It is very effective (IF you gravel vac while treating) & much easier on the fish. It's a Win/Win situation! Sometimes less is more!

[wolkcano]

for surely salt is one of the solutiouns but I preffer to use together The medicine whic is name contra icho I dont know do you have this medicine in your stores it's very usefull.

Anyway I use contra icho and salt when my fish catch this disease

thank you for all comments

I :heart knowledge dealings

[d_golem]

wolkcano, on Jul 17 2007, 06:07 PM, said:

of course for example I have 16 galons goldfish tank as you know that I have been feeding two ryukins and I have quite powerfull filitration. and change my water in ten days time at once therefor water quality always stay clear of course according to my goldies density.

I don't know how much r u feeding them, but for me once every 10 days 30% each time is not enough (at least for my feeding regime). Have you got any testing kit for ammonia, nitrite & nitrate? Clear water doesn't mean good water, u know.

[Shamu23]

really? I thought its good when water is clear. Eventhough my tank isnt, its completely green at the moment, but whats bad about clear water?

[Jeana727]

Nothing is Bad about clear water. What he meant is don't be FOOLED by clear water!

You HAVE to test the water & do 40-50% water changes OFTEN. (I test AND do AT LEAST 40% water changes EVERY WEEKEND!!) 7 days is my MAX!!

[d_golem]

Jeana727, on Jul 19 2007, 08:02 AM, said:

Nothing is Bad about clear water. What he meant is don't be FOOLED by clear water!

Exactly :)
Water with 2.0 ammonia, 5.0 nitrite and 200 nitrate looks exactly the same as water with 0 ammonia, nitrite and nitrate.

[Shamu23]

yeah, I guess ur right

[glitterfish]

Just wanted to add in here that Ive always used aquarium salt for ich and it has worked everytime! I love that it doesnt mess with the cycle and creates minimum stress for the fish. :)