[Stacyy]

i read somewhere that freezing it is a natural way of killing a fish, as in nature, the winter freezes ponds. it sounds kind of stupid now and the person who wrote it must have not known much about fish. i would never be able to bring myself to smash the fishies head, i would probably go freak out. im always too chicken to do anything to them, and try to trust that maybe they will get better, and to let nature take its course.

[SweetJuliet]

My little 3 year old comet, Lucky has been rather unlucky lately. He's battled septicemia many times even though I keep the tank very clean and well balanced. The other fish have always been okay. Saturday morning I woke up to a dead Lucky...at least I thought by the way he was floating. After reading more I think he has SBD. I'm going to try everything I can for him since he still does show a little activity, but I know I have to make my decision soon. I've ordered some clove oil and I'm going to pray that I don't have to use it. This just seems the most humane.

[dengundam]

this will be hard to do

[karla80]

Hi, a while back I read somewhere that alka-seltzer was a humane way to euthanize a fish. Well when my betta got really sick and I tried everything to help him, I knew euthanizing him was my best option since he had not eaten in weeks and had become paper thin. Also whatever he had was getting worse. It was late and all I had was alka-seltzer so i used it, and although eventually he did pass on, it took a while and he did struggle. I moved him into clean water b/c it was hard watching him jump around w/the alka-seltzer in his water. I personally hate this method and will never do it again.


karla

[sandy]

The theory to the alka seltzer was that it took the oxygen out the water so the fish suffocated, but it would fight it. Sorry you went through that with him.

[Marsha]

I still cannot accept the fact that people euthanize fish when they think it's time, even after medicating. Why can't we allow the fish to die naturally. I'm sure people have their own reasons but still... If a human falls sick, no matter what people treat them until whatever happens naturally. Fish will also eventually die if it gets worse. Can't we allow them to go naturally without robbing those few days left out of them...

[karla80]

If Alka-Seltzer suppose to take oxygen out of the water, i wonder why it is considered humane? (this is a rhetorical question). I did read from the same website that alka-seltzer has an ingredient that acts like an asthetic for fish, this is why i chose this method, + i had no clove oil.


Euthanasia is a personal view/belief, I have my reasons to support if for both humans and animals, but I will not go into that here.
Although I felt sad taking my fish's life, watching him for weeks living the way he did when this disease infected him and no matter how hard I tried to help him, he only grew worse, I felt in the end, it was the humane thing to do.


karla

[KelzosWifey]

I was led to believe by the internet that one of the best ways to euthanize a fish was to freeze it, the reason being that hypothermia would cause the fish to drift off to sleep. Now I know better and vow to never ever again freeze a fish. I do have clove oil in my cabinet (did you know it's also great for toothaches/dry socket on humans?) and will use it only if necessary.

This topic sucks -- it's great, but it's a sucky, sad topic that I wish no one ever had to read up on. However, kudos for whoever started it. If you own a pet, you are responible for it's life and well being! I'd rather let my fish go naturally than let linger in a horrible death. :cry1

[tulizamakini]

Greetings all,

It's been along time since I posted on this site. Since then I have had two losses.
One of which I had to euthanize. I used the clove oil method. Franklyn had been
sick for a long time and was confined to the hospital tank for months. He kept getting
worse. I painfully made the decision. I got a large tupperware bowl to place him in
with water, dimmed the lights and lit a small candle. I stayed with him speaking to
him softly until he peacefully past away. I lost my second goldfish, Magnus, very
quickly, he got ill and past away within two days. I was spared from having to make
the choice of euthanizing again. To all who have had to make the choice, I understand
your pain.

[Johnny Five]

I'm sorry to hear everyone's sad stories...

Surfing Koko's, and buying from a lfs I wasn't so sure about (I couldn't find anything better within driving distance), I started looking for a tiny bottle of clove oil, just in case. To go with the ammonia reducers, and the kosher salt, and the other basics...

I sometimes can find it in the naturopathic section of larger supermarkets -- or in this case, I found a tiny bottle in the aromatherapy aisle. It was marketed as essential oils, of Clove Bud.

Haven't tested it out (thankfully!) but according to Wikipedia, essential oil is the same thing as "oil of..."

Though I had to search three different supermarkets to find it.. :krazy:

But yeah. It might be under natural supplements or aromatherapy if there's anything like that near where you are.

Sorry to hear about Franklyn and Magnus.. Franklin reminds me of the time we lost our cat... :cry1 Hit by a car in front of us, and slipped away in the space of minutes while we held him.

Oh, and the clove oil? I tried a drop dabbed on my own gumline to see if it seemed to do anything... yeah it burns for a second, then made the gum numb.. and the tongue near that area.. and that corner of my lip... :rolleyes: Feeling returned after a couple minutes.

Darwin is rolling in his grave, but at least I know it seems to work.

This post has been edited by Johnny Five: 13 November 2006 - 11:39 AM

[Prune]

After some research on the Web I want to add the following points:

Freezing should not be done slowly. The fish will suffer from decreasing oxygen concentration and temperature.
If you drop the fish into ice water (~0*C) the thermal shock acts very quickly.

Regarding the clove oil method from the first post -- adding alcohol in the beginning would cause irritation from the alcohol. The clove oil should be mixed with an emulsifier such as milk instead. The clove oil will anesthetise the fish, and alcohol can be then added to assure a complete kill.

Unbuffered MS222 solution is caustic, and this is especially discomforting if crystals are not predissolved, causing local areas of high concentration. It should be buffered. This is coming from a post elsewhere by someone that does it routinely at the NIH.

[TetraLover]

Caution: Blunt Opinion Ahead. May Offend Some.

From a carnivore's viewpoint, I think this is all rather stupid to be worrying about. Just kill the darn fish and get it over with already. Stop moping about "Oh, is this humane or not?" Just smack it's head off and be done with it already. Or just let the poor thing die by itself the natural way.

I was just never one for thinking of pets as anything other then the animals they truly are. I don't treat them like my children. That only creates behavioral problems. Yes I love them, but I don't pat them on the head and give them a treat for every cute thing they do, y'know?

I've never had to deal with this, as all my fish die overnight or when I'm not home.

This post has been edited by TetraLover: 29 December 2006 - 12:22 AM

[daryl]

This thread is informative and helpful. There are always going to be times when the most humane thing to do is to end a life. Knowing how to do so in the least painful method is a valuable piece of knowledge.

Tetralover - the people on this site DO care a great deal for their fish. They would not be here if they did not. Because of that, they care how they feel - even in death.

It is my personal opinon that you can view animals as "animals" - that is all fine and good - if you wish and that works for you. No one is asking anyone to attribute "human" attributes to the fish, but it is "human" to care for all living things.

There no room in my life for lack of care and concern over the pain and suffering of anything alive. If something must die, then it should be done in the least painful method with the least fear involved. It matters little if that creature is a human, dog, cat, fish, or bird. It deserves the respect due to its life - and inevitable demise. That death should not be callously brushed off or ignored. Death may be a fact of life, but where I am concerned, a nearly painless death, done as gently and "humanely" as possible is the honest way. I morn every loss, no matter how small - even when it is I who chose that death.

The method that accomplishes this may, in fact, be a knife behind the gills. Death may come via a clove oil bath, or a plunge in ice water. (knocking a fish up against wall is NOT recommended for death is not a guaranteed thing - nor may it be a quick death when it happens) As long as it is done with the respect and gentleness and thought that a precious life deserves. EVERY life deserves that respect.

This discussion may help someone, in the future, to make just such a choice.

Please keep in mind that this forum will be kept civil. Some posts within this thread may be removed if necessary - an I would, personally, rather see them all remain. This is information that is needed, at one time or another, by all.

[Kiki Lola]

Gosh none of those sound pleasant! It's such a shame for the poor fish, but I suppose a few minutes of suffering to put it to rest is much better than weeks of suffering an illness...

[bellabombshella]

I adopted a one eyed goldfish from a pet store because they hadn't noticed his "deformity" and would probably have just flushed him. The lady gave him to me for free and I loved that little dude.. He swam to the side and I pretended he was my pirate fish.

Unfortunately he got fin rot and after 4 days of watching him suffer I just couldn't do it anymore.. I had to kill him. I put him in a ziploc with a wet paper towel and stunned him against the ground. This actually ended up killing him as he EXPLODED.

Traumatized for life. ugh.

[Shamu23]

i had to euthanize my betta awhile ago cuz he couldnt eat or swim due to sbd, i used the clove oil/vodka method, it took about 10-20 minutes and he struggled a bit at first but I think its probably the most humane way, he didnt really appear to b in any pain

[insanity.rainbows]

Blue, on May 27 2006, 01:36 AM, said:

Thanks for the info i have had to euthanise two of my fish in the past and was led to believe freezing was a kind way to let them go I think it will be the anaestetic way for me from now on.I feel guilty now tht i may have caused my fish to suffer

http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/cry3.gif

I was told it made them fall asleep TT-TT

When i had to put Fifi down just 1 day after gettign her I felt horrible. She had somehow jumped out of my tank. While flipping around she ripped of her fins and scales leaving me to find her still alive on the carpet finless. I put her in a bag and put her in my freezer. I felt horrible that whole day and now feel immensly guilty

[Fish Food]

I've actually always used the freezing method to put my fish to sleep. My mother would think I was nuts running around to 10 different stores trying to find an oil to euthanize my fish with. I've never done it slowly though because I think thats cruel. :/ I take a bowl, fill it with cold water (From my fridge since it's colder than tap water) and then fill it with ice cube. I make it as fast and easy as possible on me and the fish. I let the bowl of water and ice sit in the freezer for 5-10 minutes and then I remove the fish and drop it in. Longest time to die I've ever witnessed was 3 seconds and I've put down more fish than I can count. (I had a strain of Guppies who threw out severly deformed fry. It didn't ever show until they got bigger which I always found weird.)

Not sure how a cold water method would work for Goldfish though since they're cold water fish and can live in partially frozen ponds. I'd say boiling would probably be best (If you can't handle hitting it with something, cutting it's head off, can't find clove oil, ect) since it'd work in the same way as the freezing water, the temperature change is so dramatic in change the fish goes into shock and dies.

Keep in mind I've never used a freezing method for anything larger than a 3in Guppy (I mainly have only had to do Guppies but I've also had to put down a beloved Betta like this too. :cry1 ) so I have no idea how long it'd take to kill a larger fish.

I wouldn't ever slowly kill a fish by putting it in a bowl of water and then letting it sit in the freezer to die though. :( My brother killed all but 4 of my tropical fish (I had over 100. Cherry Barbs, Platies, Plecos, an Oscar, a Corydoras and Pluppies which are Platy/Guppy hybrids.) after he left the garage door cracked on a really cold night. (Dropped to like 20 degrees F) Needless to say I first discovered my Oscar who was laying on his side at the bottom, the Pleco who was with him was by some Java Moss laying as if he just froze where he was. My little fish were huddled together for the most part, some laying on the bottom as if they were sleeping. I have described my findings as the scene from Titantic where they're going through the ocean trying to find survivors but everyones frozen over. I managed to find 5 Platys and one lucky Pleco alive. One of the Platys died the next morning though. (Pleco and the other 3 Platys are doing great. :)) My Goldfish survived the night as well. I've always been against slowly killing a fish but after that (Rather tramatizing experience because it gives me the creeps to go in the garage now. I even took out my Goldfish just because I didn't want to feed them in there much less do anything like water changes that they needed. So I got them out so I'd feel better.) experience I'd never in a million years consider it. I do like using the freezing water method but never making it slow.

[Musicmadmk]

Hi

I have had aomebody look today with me at my goldfish, (she keeps fish in a pond) and we both agreed that poor Garfunkel is on his way to the fish spirit world.....he is struggling so much to live that it is a real effort for him...watching him trying to eat is heartbreaking and his tail is bent upwards so he spends most of his time in a U - shaped position at the top of the tank. Swimming is so hard and he is unbalanced during his brief bursts of energy. I know he will die of his own accord eventually, but I can't bear to see him suffer like this, so I have decided to buy some clove oil and put him to sleep. I really have done everything I possibly can for him, and it's no good offering him to anyone with a large tank or pond as he is 7 years old and probably won't survive the move. I believe from reading my book on fish and the internet that he has swim bladder disease.

Thnks for all your help and advice, I really should have sought it sooner then I might have had a chance to save him.


Michelle

[lennie]

I have just euthanazed by fantail with the clove oil vodka and water mix :(

He had got white spot and he was happy swimming about.
I couldn't get any treatment when I first discovered it as it was Saturday night and had to wait til Monday to get the anti white spot treatment.
Shortly after I put the correct dose of the meds in,he got worse......the other fish picked up.It was too late for him :(
He was suffering real bad for two days.He was under a big stone head first in the gravel and wouldn't eat or swim,just panting.
I knew he needed to rest in peace,and thanks to the post on euthanzing I was able to help him.Thankyou.